Real Coach Ratings: As of October 2008: the Sub Ratings

Two days ago, on Sunday, November 16, 2008, I posted the first ever Real Coach Ratings. Then in the last couple of days I extracted a lot more from the underlying data by organizing the data in ways that break down the data in really revealing ways. Specifically, I have broken down the overall Real Coach Ratings into three Sub Ratings. While some coaches are near the top on all three sub ratings, others, such as George Karl, rate very high on one Sub Rating but very low on another one. For the original Real Coach Rating article, which includes an extensive User Guide, visit here.

The Quest for the Ring put the complete and final Real Coach Ratings spreadsheet on the internet! To view this spreadsheet which shows all of the underlying data, and all of the Real Coach Rating organization of that data, you can visit here.

Here we will now proceed to report the sub ratings. But befiore we actually get to the sub ratings, let's review the overall Real Coach Ratings:

REAL COACH RATINGS
As of October, 2008, before the 2008-09 season began
A User Guide Follows

1 Los Angeles Lakers Phil Jackson 5071.8
2 San Antonio Spurs Gregg Popovich 2824.0
3 Utah Jazz Jerry Sloan 1277.3
4 Houston Rockets Rick Adelman 967.6
5 Charlotte Bobcats Larry Brown 523.0
6 New York Knicks Mike D'Antoni 519.0
7 Orlando Magic Stan Van Gundy 486.6
8 Cleveland Cavaliers Mike Brown 421.8
9 Dallas Mavericks Rick Carlisle 276.0
10 New Orleans Hornets Byron Scott 217.6
11 Chicago Bulls Vinny Del Negro 200.0
12 Detroit Pistons Michael Curry 200.0
13 Miami Heat Erik Spoelstra 200.0
14 Denver Nuggets George Karl 109.8
15 Sacramento Kings Reggie Theus 106.6
16 New Jersey Nets Lawrence Frank 86.4
17 Boston Celtics Doc Rivers 74.8
18 Milwaukee Bucks Scott Skiles 0.0
19 Indiana Pacers Jim O'Brien -14.4
20 Philadelphia 76ers Maurice Cheeks -85.2
21 Memphis Grizzlies Marc Iavaroni -85.4
22 Portland Trail Blazers Nate McMillan -157.0
23 Phoenix Suns Terry Porter -180.0
24 Golden State Warriors Don Nelson -205.8
25 Toronto Raptors Sam Mitchell -237.6
26 Washington Wizards Eddie Jordan -465.0
27 Minnesota Timberwolves Randy Wittman -538.8
28 Oklahoma City Thunder P.J. Carlesimo -632.4
29 Atlanta Hawks Mike Woodson -633.6
30 Los Angeles Clippers Mike Dunleavy -686.0

REAL COACH RATINGS SUB RATINGS
COACHES RANKED BY REGULAR SEASON EXPERIENCE SUB RATING
This is the same team score (0.3 points per game with the current team) plus the score for up to 600 games (1 point a game) plus the score for between 600 and 1,000 games (0.2 points per game)

1 Utah Jazz Jerry Sloan 1157.3
2 San Antonio Spurs Gregg Popovich 947.0
3 Los Angeles Clippers Mike Dunleavy 803.0
4 Denver Nuggets George Karl 765.8
5 Los Angeles Lakers Phil Jackson 753.8
6 Golden State Warriors Don Nelson 729.2
7 Boston Celtics Doc Rivers 711.8
8 Houston Rockets Rick Adelman 704.6
9 New Orleans Hornets Byron Scott 701.6
10 Portland Trail Blazers Nate McMillan 682.0
11 Charlotte Bobcats Larry Brown 680.0
12 Washington Wizards Eddie Jordan 630.0
13 Philadelphia 76ers Maurice Cheeks 620.8
14 Milwaukee Bucks Scott Skiles 532.0
15 Oklahoma City Thunder P.J. Carlesimo 511.6
16 Dallas Mavericks Rick Carlisle 492.0
17 New Jersey Nets Lawrence Frank 478.4
18 Indiana Pacers Jim O'Brien 446.6
19 New York Knicks Mike D'Antoni 439.0
20 Toronto Raptors Sam Mitchell 426.4
21 Atlanta Hawks Mike Woodson 426.4
22 Minnesota Timberwolves Randy Wittman 325.2
23 Cleveland Cavaliers Mike Brown 319.8
24 Orlando Magic Stan Van Gundy 291.6
25 Sacramento Kings Reggie Theus 224.6
26 Memphis Grizzlies Marc Iavaroni 224.6
27 Chicago Bulls Vinny Del Negro 200.0
28 Detroit Pistons Michael Curry 200.0
29 Miami Heat Erik Spoelstra 200.0
30 Phoenix Suns Terry Porter 200.0

Jerry Sloan is the most experienced coach.

In terms of raw experience, Mr. Karl is slightly ahead of Mr. Jackson! And Mr. Karl is a little ahead of Don Nelson, despite fewer games overall, because of the relatively long term he has coached the Nuggets, versus a shorter term for Mr. Nelson coaching the Warriors.

Doc Rivers has more experience than most people think.

Notice that all rookie coaches start with an experience score of 200.

COACHES RANKED BY REGULAR SEASON SUB RATING
This is the regular season wins score minus the regular season losses score. The average score is intentionally below zero, which reflects the reality that most coaches must win more than they lose within 2-5 years or they will be bounced out of the NBA head coaching roster. However, very highly experienced coaches, coaches who have been notably successful in the playoffs at one time, and coaches who have done a lot better recently are all likely exceptions to the do well in the regular season or get fired within 2-5 years rule.

1 Los Angeles Lakers Phil Jackson 1954
2 San Antonio Spurs Gregg Popovich 1046
3 Houston Rockets Rick Adelman 479
4 Utah Jazz Jerry Sloan 426
5 New York Knicks Mike D'Antoni 131
6 Orlando Magic Stan Van Gundy 99
7 Denver Nuggets George Karl 97
8 Cleveland Cavaliers Mike Brown 18
9 Chicago Bulls Vinny Del Negro 0
10 Detroit Pistons Michael Curry 0
11 Miami Heat Erik Spoelstra 0
12 Dallas Mavericks Rick Carlisle -72
13 Sacramento Kings Reggie Theus -118
14 Charlotte Bobcats Larry Brown -154
15 Golden State Warriors Don Nelson -278
16 New Jersey Nets Lawrence Frank -284
17 Phoenix Suns Terry Porter -296
18 Memphis Grizzlies Marc Iavaroni -310
19 Indiana Pacers Jim O'Brien -338
20 Milwaukee Bucks Scott Skiles -352
21 Toronto Raptors Sam Mitchell -520
22 Philadelphia 76ers Maurice Cheeks -529
23 Boston Celtics Doc Rivers -601
24 New Orleans Hornets Byron Scott -712
25 Washington Wizards Eddie Jordan -801
26 Portland Trail Blazers Nate McMillan -815
27 Minnesota Timberwolves Randy Wittman -864
28 Oklahoma City Thunder P.J. Carlesimo -973
29 Atlanta Hawks Mike Woodson -1024
30 Los Angeles Clippers Mike Dunleavy -1510

Any positive number is respectable. Mr. Karl is 7th in terms of regular season performance: nothing to write home about really but undeniably respectable.

The rookies of course start with zero.

Mr. Dunleavy has been with the Clippers for many years, who for many years were the doormats of the West. Come on Marcus Camby, give Dunleavy some wins and make me look good for backing you up in the face of the Nene mania!

COACHES RATED BY THE MOST IMPORTANT SUB RATING OF ALL: THE NET PLAYOFFS SUB RATING
This consists of the playoffs experience score (3 points per playoff game) plus the playoffs wins score (21 points per win) plus the playoffs losses score (30 points per loss)

1 Los Angeles Lakers Phil Jackson 2364
2 San Antonio Spurs Gregg Popovich 831
3 New Orleans Hornets Byron Scott 228
4 Orlando Magic Stan Van Gundy 96
5 Cleveland Cavaliers Mike Brown 84
6 Los Angeles Clippers Mike Dunleavy 21
7 Chicago Bulls Vinny Del Negro 0
8 Detroit Pistons Michael Curry 0
9 Miami Heat Erik Spoelstra 0
10 Sacramento Kings Reggie Theus 0
11 Memphis Grizzlies Marc Iavaroni 0
12 Minnesota Timberwolves Randy Wittman 0
13 Charlotte Bobcats Larry Brown -3
14 Portland Trail Blazers Nate McMillan -24
15 Boston Celtics Doc Rivers -36
16 Atlanta Hawks Mike Woodson -36
17 New York Knicks Mike D'Antoni -51
18 Phoenix Suns Terry Porter -84
19 New Jersey Nets Lawrence Frank -108
20 Indiana Pacers Jim O'Brien -123
21 Dallas Mavericks Rick Carlisle -144
22 Toronto Raptors Sam Mitchell -144
23 Oklahoma City Thunder P.J. Carlesimo -171
24 Philadelphia 76ers Maurice Cheeks -177
25 Milwaukee Bucks Scott Skiles -180
26 Houston Rockets Rick Adelman -216
27 Washington Wizards Eddie Jordan -294
28 Utah Jazz Jerry Sloan -306
29 Golden State Warriors Don Nelson -657
30 Denver Nuggets George Karl -753

Phil Jackson and Greg Popovich are hogging the vast majority of the positive points.

Doc Rivers needs a lot more playoff wins to get his sub rating up there. If the Celtics fail to repeat this year, could it be because the Celtics this year need more coaching from Rivers and less from themselves? Have the other teams figured out the Celtics relatively simple coaching now? Are the other teams, as Rivers himself said the other day, going after the Celtics in an intense and smart way from the opening tip? If the Celtics fail to at least make it to the Championship, Rivers will be at least partly to blame.

Oh my dear Lord, Mr. Karl... You are dead last. What a shame. Yes it's true, Mr. Karl is the worst Coach in the NBA as far as playoffs are concerned!

Mr. Karl's poor playoff record (62-83) is normally the kind of record that you would associate with coaches who have poor regular season records as well, which is to say that you would associate it with coaches who were bounced out of the NBA head coaching ranks after 2-5 years or so. But Mr. Karl soldiers on, the ultimate regular season only warrior.

Notice finally that although Mr. Karl is the basket case, he is not the only one who has been hammered by the likes of Phil Jackson and Greg Popovich in the playoffs. Jerry Sloan and Rick Adelman have taken more than their share of licks from Jackson and Popovich over the years. Will this finally be the year when Adelman, Sloan, or both overcome both Jackson and Popovich? Stay tuned.

Finally, there is a supplementary sub rating called the Grand Total Experience Sub Rating. This is simply the sum of all three factors making up the regular season experience sub rating and the playoff experience factor score. In the main breakdown, the playoff experience score goes into the Net Playoffs Sub Rating, not into the Regular Season Experience Sub Rating.

1 Utah Jazz Jerry Sloan 1718.3
2 Los Angeles Lakers Phil Jackson 1584.8
3 San Antonio Spurs Gregg Popovich 1427.0
4 Charlotte Bobcats Larry Brown 1247.0
5 Golden State Warriors Don Nelson 1227.2
6 Denver Nuggets George Karl 1200.8
7 Houston Rockets Rick Adelman 1136.6
8 Los Angeles Clippers Mike Dunleavy 1016.0
9 New Orleans Hornets Byron Scott 857.6
10 Boston Celtics Doc Rivers 834.8
11 Portland Trail Blazers Nate McMillan 730.0
12 Washington Wizards Eddie Jordan 708.0
13 Dallas Mavericks Rick Carlisle 678.0
14 Philadelphia 76ers Maurice Cheeks 668.8
15 Milwaukee Bucks Scott Skiles 637.0
16 New Jersey Nets Lawrence Frank 592.4
17 New York Knicks Mike D'Antoni 592.0
18 Oklahoma City Thunder P.J. Carlesimo 547.6
19 Indiana Pacers Jim O'Brien 539.6
20 Toronto Raptors Sam Mitchell 459.4
21 Cleveland Cavaliers Mike Brown 457.8
22 Atlanta Hawks Mike Woodson 447.4
23 Orlando Magic Stan Van Gundy 405.6
24 Minnesota Timberwolves Randy Wittman 325.2
25 Sacramento Kings Reggie Theus 224.6
26 Memphis Grizzlies Marc Iavaroni 224.6
27 Phoenix Suns Terry Porter 215.0
28 Chicago Bulls Vinny Del Negro 200.0
29 Detroit Pistons Michael Curry 200.0
30 Miami Heat Erik Spoelstra 200.0