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Thursday, July 16, 2009

Detroit Pistons 2002-2008 R.I.P., and Joe Dumars' Perfect Career is History

DETROIT PISTONS 2008-09 SUMMARY
The Pistons, one of the very best NBA teams since the turn of the century, started 2008-09 with the core of Chauncey Billups, Rasheed Wallace, Richard Hamilton, and Tayshaun Prince, champions all, and with an assumption among their fans that they would be winning at least two playoff series, enough to reach the East finals (presumably against the Celtics). But they ended the season in complete disarray and obscurity, routed by LeBron James and Cleveland 4 miserable routs to zero.

So what in the hell is going on in Detroit and who is most responsible for this rapid and chaotic downfall?

JOE DUMARS: A BRIEF HISTORY
Detroit Pistons General Manager Joe Dumars is basketball royalty and until now has seemingly had an almost perfect career both as a player and as a manager. Drafted 18th overall in the first round in 1985 he played for the Detroit Pistons for his entire career, from 1985 to 1999. He won two championships as a player in 1989 and 1990, and was voted the 1989 Finals MVP, averaging 27.3 points per game as the Pistons swept the Los Angeles Lakers in four games. The following year, he won accolades during the Eastern Conference Finals when, with Dennis Rodman, he was a cornerstone of coach Chuck Daly's "Jordan Rules" defensive playbook, which forced the Chicago Bulls to change their offensive strategy to include less of Michael Jordan and more of the other members of the team. According to Jordan, Dumars was the best defender he faced in the NBA.

During his career, he was selected to the All-Star team six times, and to the All-Defensive first team four times. In 14 seasons, all with the Pistons, Dumars scored 16,401 points, handed out 4,612 assists, grabbed 2,203 rebounds and recorded 902 steals.

As if that player history was not enough, then you have to really respect the manager history up until recently anyway. Dumars became the Pistons top manager in 2000, and consider the following remarkable history of playoff series wins:

For the record, and keeping in mind that if you win four playoff series in a row you have won the ring, seven year Pistons greatness run was as follows:

2001-02: Won 1 Series, Lost Semifinal
2002-03: Won 2 Series, Lost East Final
2003-04: Won 4 Series, Won the Quest for the Ring
2004-05: Won 3 Series, Lost the NBA Championship
2005-06: Won 2 Series, Lost East Final
2006-07: Won 2 Series, Lost East Final
2007-08: Won 2 Series, Lost East Final

In summary, the Pistons with Dumars as top manager won 16 playoff series in 7 years, 2.3 per year, in a League where more than half the franchises are incapable of averaging even one playoff series win per year, and in a League where it sometimes seems as if the Boston Celtics, the San Antonio Spurs, and the Los Angeles Lakers account for more than half of all the playoff series wins.

For the complete and I do mean complete statistical record of all of these good 2001-2008 Piston teams, visit the best (and easiest to use) statistical site.

DUMARS FINALLY MAKES SOME BIG MISTAKES, AND UNFORTUNATELY THEY ARE WHOPPERS
Can someone who has apparently had an almost perfect career suddenly make some big mistakes? You or I might assume no, but the answer is clearly yes.

Dumars is more to blame than anyone for the Pistons having tanked so badly in 2008-09. He jumped the gun on rebuilding too quickly, both by trading Chauncey Billups for Allen Iverson in early November, and also by running his mouth way too often and way too soon about how "nothing was off the table" as far as sending any and all Pistons to other teams in exchange for God only knows who and for God only knows what draft pick to be taken later.

Unfortunately for Dumars and Detroit, basketball players, like the stock market, hate uncertainty. So the Pistons responded to the total uncertainty and the total lack of loyalty promoted by Dumars by raising the white flag and by packing it in for the season.

Although Richard Hamilton may have been extra negatively affected by not having Chauncey Billups to pass him the ball at all the right times and places, and although now fired rookie coach Michael Curry made a complete mess of things by not being able to settle on a starting lineup, or even on a type of starting lineup ("To be small or not to be small, that is the question, and I know not how to answer it" laugh out loud) it was Dumars who did the most damage of all.

The Quest Real Player Rating system reveals that that several veteran Pistons were no where near as good in 2008-09 as they were just one year previous, which spells out to me that those players decided it was not worth maximum effort in 2008-09.

So in short, the 2008-09 Pistons tanked, and they tanked badly.

The Iverson mess, which if you read or have read Quest reports you know all about, was the mess inside the mess. Pistons reporters and writers including yours truly often could not decide what is more important to spend time on, the Iverson mess or the overall Pistons mess. It ended up to be too much mess to take in at once. So those free to move on, including yours truly, did just that; the 08-09 Pistons were not really worth covering after the All Star Break.

Always remember this if you are a team manager (or a coach who the players know influences the manager): Never, ever, ever even hint that you are going to smash up a team and start over, because you are unnecessarily risking your players ramping back to "standard effort" rather than "maximum effort," whereas the latter is the only thing that can win you even one playoff series let alone more than that. Another reason to never do what Dumars did is that you reduce your team's bargaining power when it actually comes time to sign and trade for players, both because you have come across as desperate, so teams think they can beat you in a trade, and because no one wants to play for a General Manager who appears to not be very stable or loyal.

So now the Pistons lie in ruins, their 2002-2008 run over and done. Even Dumars himself is warning in advance that the Pistons are probably going to be losers over the next (who knows how many) seasons.

THE NEW PISTONS
Since life goes on, let's check out the Pistons transactions since the end of the season:

July 14, 2009 Acquired a future second round draft choice from the Denver Nuggets for guard Arron Afflalo, forward Walter Sharpe and cash considerations.
July 10, 2009 Named John Kuester coach.
July 9, 2009 Detroit signed guard Ben Gordon and Charlie Villanueva to a five-year contract.
July 1, 2009 Fired coach Michael Curry.
June 25, 2009 Detroit traded the draft rights to forward Chase Budinger to Houston for a future second-round pick and cash.
June 23, 2009 Milwaukee traded traded center Fabricio Oberto to Detroit for forward Amir Johnson
April 29, 2009 Excercised the the 2009-10 option on the contract of guard Will Bynum.

OBSERVATIONS ABOUT THE TRANSACTIONS
Afflalo had an extremely low .386 Real Player Rating for the Pistons this past season, and Sharpe is a D-League type, so the July 14 transaction was a low level deal where Detroit is rebuilding and Denver is making sure they stay clear of the luxury tax despite all their expensive acquisitions doing the boom years.

The Nuggets decided not to give Dahntay Jones a contract, despite the fact that Jones was the 2-Guard starter both in the regular and in the playoffs, once again showing you that in Denver the right hand (the management) can and often does completely undo what the left hand (the coaches) have done. More specifically, the management loves J.R. Smith while the coaches (at least George Karl) hates him, although probably not as much as before.

Unfortunately for Denver, you will never win the Quest for the Ring unless the coaches and the managers are on the same page, with each taking actions that complement the others' actons, rather than cancelling out the other's actions. You have to have as many meetings as are necessary to make sure the coaches and the managers are on the same page. You can bet your last dollar that the Lakers do this.

RECENT ACQUSITIONS OF VETERANS
CHARLIE VILLANUEVA
REAL PLAYER RATINGS (RPR)
Career RPR: .751 Outstanding Player / Solid Starter Level

2008-09
RPR: .825: Star Player / Well Above Normal Starter Level
TRPP (Production): 1727.71
Offensive Sub Rating: .571
Defensive Sub Rating: .254

First Thoughts That Comes to Mind: This is a well above average player, more so offensively than defensively. You can imagine him on a Championship team, but a little more likely as a fantastic sixth man than as a starter.

BEN GORDON
REAL PLAYER RATINGS (RPR)
Career RPR: .706 Major Role Player / Good Enough to Start

2008-09
RPR: .737 Major Role Player / Good Enough to Start
TRPP (Production): 2210.55
Offensive Sub Rating: .540
Defensive Sub Rating: .197

First Thoughts That Comes to Mind: Good enough to start, but not good enough to start in a Championship. Not very good defensively.

FABRICIO OBERTO
REAL PLAYER RATINGS (RPR)
Career RPR: .572 Marginal Role Player

2008-09
RPR: .501 Major Role Player / Good Enough to Start
TRPP (Production): 339.05
Offensive Sub Rating: .353
Defensive Sub Rating: .148

First Thoughts That Comes to Mind: I simply don't understand the Amir Johnson for Fabricio Oberto trade. Looking at the ratings, this trade is grossly in Milwaukee's favor. San Antonio was cleaning house and considered Oberto as a bust they had to dump off. Tack on some more losses for Detroit in the upcoming season.

SCALE FOR REGULAR SEASON REAL PLAYER RATINGS ADJUSTED FOR HIDDEN DEFENDING
Perfect for all Practical Purposes / Major Historic Super Star 1.100 and more
Historic Super Star 1.000 1.099
Super Star 0.900 0.999
A Star Player / A Well Above Normal Starter 0.800 0.899
Outstanding Player: A Solid Starter 0.750 0.799
Major Role Player / Good Enough to Start 0.700 0.749
Good Role Player / Often a Good 6th Man 0.640 0.699
Satisfactory Role Player 0.580 0.639
Marginal Role Player 0.520 0.579
Poor Player 0.460 0.519
Very Poor Player 0.400 0.459
Extremely Poor Player and less 0.399

The User Guide for Real Player Ratings, and for the Defensive Adjustments, is located here. You must consult the Guide in order to fully understand the ratings and the value of them, and to understand how to make the best use of them.

ROOKIES FROM THE DRAFT
Austin Daye F, 6-11, Gonzaga (first round)—Very versatile offensive player whose lack of strength will be a liability defensively. He’ll be an upgrade at the backup small forward spot.

DaJuan Summers(notes), F, 6-8, Georgetown (second round)—The Pistons view him mainly as a small forward, though he played a lot of power forward in college last season. Isn’t afraid to mix it up but needs to become a better ball-handler.

Jonas Jerebko(notes), F, 6-9, Sweden (second round)—The Pistons were impressed with his all-around game and size during a team workout and believe his best position is power forward. Can bull his way onto the roster with a strong summer-league showing.

Quest does not yet have a good, scientific way to evaluate college players, and we don't usually make subjective comments about player styles and personalities. The above comments are those at Yahoo Sports.

Although drafting and having good rookies is important, and is untimately a necessary component to winning the Quest, rookies can not possibly by themselves dig Detroit out of the hole it is currently in.

HAMILTON FOR A FRONT COURT PLAYER?
Since Rasheed Wallace bolted for Boston and Antonio McDyess bolted for San Antonio, the Pistons are grossly small up front until they get another front court player, which they are scrabling to do as we speak. Detroit has relatively limited resources for this task, so don't expect anything big, and specifically you can rule out the idea that Hamilton will be traded.

THE NEW COACH
As for the other Pistons transactions, they have a new Coach, John Kuester, who has been an assistant Coach in the NBA for 14 years, but will be the second rookie Head Coach in as many years for the Pistons, who decided they could not afford Doug Collins or Avery Johnson or certain others who would have come with a much higher price tag but also a much higher chance of long term success.

Dumars in the last three years has now cemented a reputation for being a manager who doesn't know what he wants in a coach, and/or a reputation for being a manager who doesn't give the coaches he hires enough time or enough rope to do their jobs. Three quality coaches: Rick Carlisle, Larry Brown, and Flip Saunders took care of the first seven Dumars years, but now Dumars seems to be drawing blanks and coming up more or less empty on the coaching front, which of course normally means losing seasons are on the way.

I don't know much about Kuester, but I do know that whenever a team "settles" for a head coach, meaning that it does not consider the position to be crucial for winning, it is asking for trouble and failure. So until proven otherwise, the default view of the Kuester hiring has to be that Dumars has made another serious blunder, which in turn suggests that Dumars had better start to think about early retirement so that someone else can take over before the Pistons become the Grizzlies of the East.

THE OVERALL VERDICT AS OF NOW
The Pistons are going to be a fairly major losing team this year, and they will probably be so far in the hole by next April that top free agents will be very wary of going to Detroit. Dumars should have kept his mouth shut and/or he should have kept Chauncey Billups.

And Dumars should have consulted a basketball economist, such as the one on staff here at Quest, about what the 2009-10 salary cap might be. The NBA caused a lot of scrambling among certain unprepared (in the dark?) front-office executives by lowering the salary cap to $57.7 million, $1 million less than a year ago. Dumars had projected the cap would remain status quo.

These days, Dumars is living in fear that the 2010-11 salary cap will be lower still, which will throw yet another huge monkey wrench into his grandiose and so far disastrous "Pistons Rebuilding Project" The funny thing is, the whole thing could have been put off for one or two years. And the other funny thing is, instead of changing the Pistons one careful step at a time, Dumars with his big mouth ended up blowing up the whole team as if it had been losing for years and years, the opposite of what the situation was.

So Dumars' perfect career would appear to be history, and the hole he has dug would appear to be a deep one.

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Tuesday, July 7, 2009

NBA Final Real Player Ratings, Shown by Team, 2008-09 Season

NATIONAL BASKETBALL ASSOCIATION: NBA
FINAL REAL PLAYER RATINGS
BY TEAM
2008-09 Regular Season
Includes all tracked actions and hidden defending
All Players Who Played 300 Minutes or More Included

SCALE FOR REGULAR SEASON REAL PLAYER RATINGS
Perfect for all Practical Purposes / Major Historic Super Star 1.100 and more
Historic Super Star 1.000 1.099
Super Star 0.900 0.999
A Star Player / A Well Above Normal Starter 0.800 0.899
Outstanding Player: A Solid Starter 0.750 0.799
Major Role Player / Good Enough to Start 0.700 0.749
Good Role Player / Often a Good 6th Man 0.640 0.699
Satisfactory Role Player 0.580 0.639
Marginal Role Player 0.520 0.579
Poor Player 0.460 0.519
Very Poor Player 0.400 0.459
Extremely Poor Player and less 0.399

NOTE REGARDING LOW REGULAR SEASON RATINGS
Players rated below about .550 sometimes get playing time based largely on factors outside of RPR, but valued by coaches and other players, such as:
--Great energy, effort, and hustle
--Toughness, such as diving after loose balls and taking charges
--Leadership and/or knowledge, especially in the case of veterans
--Perceived potential for future improvement in terms of real basketball production, especially in the case of young players
--See User Guide for more

ATLANTA HAWKS
Al Horford ATL 0.872
Joe Johnson ATL 0.851
Josh Smith ATL 0.821
Mike Bibby ATL 0.759
Zaza Pachulia ATL 0.758
Ronald Murray ATL 0.730
Marvin Williams ATL 0.707
Acie Law ATL 0.666
Maurice Evans ATL 0.517
Solomon Jones ATL 0.478

BOSTON CELTICS
Kevin Garnett BOS 1.106
Rajon Rondo BOS 0.938
Paul Pierce BOS 0.795
Leon Powe BOS 0.786
Ray Allen BOS 0.762
Eddie House BOS 0.707
Kendrick Perkins BOS 0.666
Tony Allen BOS 0.652
Gabe Pruitt BOS 0.589
Glen Davis BOS 0.522
Mikki Moore BOS 0.450
Stephon Marbury BOS 0.383
Brian Scalabrine BOS 0.358

CHARLOTTE BOBCATS
Gerald Wallace CHA 0.847
Emeka Okafor CHA 0.832
Boris Diaw CHA 0.751
Raymond Felton CHA 0.745
Jason Richardson CHA 0.692
D.J. Augustin CHA 0.665
Raja Bell CHA 0.587
Jared Dudley CHA 0.563
Vladimir Radmanovic CHA 0.521
DeSagana Diop CHA 0.496
Shannon Brown CHA 0.491
Juwan Howard CHA 0.480
Matt Carroll CHA 0.458
Nazr Mohammed CHA 0.435
Sean May CHA 0.425
Adam Morrison CHA 0.334

CHICAGO BULLS
Brad Miller CHI 0.916
Joakim Noah CHI 0.824
Kirk Hinrich CHI 0.792
Drew Gooden CHI 0.778
Derrick Rose CHI 0.774
Tyrus Thomas CHI 0.760
Luol Deng CHI 0.746
Ben Gordon CHI 0.737
Larry Hughes CHI 0.686
John Salmons CHI 0.669
Thabo Sefolosha CHI 0.632
Andres Nocioni CHI 0.610
Aaron Gray CHI 0.597

CLEVELAND CAVALIERS
LeBron James CLE 1.331
Zydrunas Ilgauskas CLE 0.913
Mo Williams CLE 0.789
Ben Wallace CLE 0.759
Delonte West CLE 0.748
Joe Smith CLE 0.705
Anderson Varejao CLE 0.694
Wally Szczerbiak CLE 0.542
J.J. Hickson CLE 0.485
Daniel Gibson CLE 0.478
Sasha Pavlovic CLE 0.393
Darnell Jackson CLE 0.283

DALLAS MAVERICKS
Dirk Nowitzki DAL 1.019
Jason Kidd DAL 0.932
James Singleton DAL 0.828
Jason Terry DAL 0.827
Josh Howard DAL 0.804
Erick Dampier DAL 0.761
Jose Barea DAL 0.734
Brandon Bass DAL 0.733
Gerald Green DAL 0.525
DeSagana Diop DAL 0.500
Antoine Wright DAL 0.421
Devean George DAL 0.377

DENVER NUGGETS
Carmelo Anthony DEN 0.901
Nene Hilario DEN 0.880
Chauncey Billups DEN 0.870
Chris Andersen DEN 0.835
J.R. Smith DEN 0.824
Renaldo Balkman DEN 0.815
Kenyon Martin DEN 0.754
Anthony Carter DEN 0.669
Linas Kleiza DEN 0.610
Dahntay Jones DEN 0.445

DETROIT PISTONS
Will Bynum DET 0.819
Antonio McDyess DET 0.799
Rasheed Wallace DET 0.767
Allen Iverson DET 0.760
Amir Johnson DET 0.742
Richard Hamilton DET 0.742
Rodney Stuckey DET 0.713
Tayshaun Prince DET 0.698
Kwame Brown DET 0.675
Jason Maxiell DET 0.597
Walter Herrmann DET 0.545
Arron Afflalo DET 0.386

GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS
Andris Biedrins GSW 0.994
Brandan Wright GSW 0.905
Anthony Randolph GSW 0.863
Ronny Turiaf GSW 0.830
Stephen Jackson GSW 0.816
Kelenna Azubuike GSW 0.742
C.J. Watson GSW 0.728
Corey Maggette GSW 0.721
Monta Ellis GSW 0.698
Anthony Morrow GSW 0.687
Jamal Crawford GSW 0.668
Marco Belinelli GSW 0.628
Rob Kurz GSW 0.612

HOUSTON ROCKETS
Yao Ming HOU 1.042
Tracy McGrady HOU 0.810
Ron Artest HOU 0.806
Luis Scola HOU 0.793
Kyle Lowry HOU 0.771
Carl Landry HOU 0.724
Rafer Alston HOU 0.641
Von Wafer HOU 0.622
Aaron Brooks HOU 0.621
Shane Battier HOU 0.591
Chuck Hayes HOU 0.541
Brent Barry HOU 0.498
Luther Head HOU 0.440

INDIANA PACERS
Danny Granger IND 0.923
Troy Murphy IND 0.902
T.J. Ford IND 0.834
Jeff Foster IND 0.770
Rasho Nesterovic IND 0.763
Travis Diener IND 0.755
Roy Hibbert IND 0.747
Marquis Daniels IND 0.710
Jarrett Jack IND 0.658
Mike Dunleavy IND 0.621
Brandon Rush IND 0.531
Stephen Graham IND 0.498

LOS ANGELES CLIPPERS
Marcus Camby LAC 1.013
Zach Randolph LAC 0.941
Baron Davis LAC 0.790
Chris Kaman LAC 0.756
Paul Davis LAC 0.680
Eric Gordon LAC 0.651
DeAndre Jordan LAC 0.635
Mardy Collins LAC 0.631
Mike Taylor LAC 0.605
Steve Novak LAC 0.595
Al Thornton LAC 0.590
Brian Skinner LAC 0.587
Cuttino Mobley LAC 0.536
Jason Hart LAC 0.535
Fred Jones LAC 0.533
Ricky Davis LAC 0.392

LOS ANGELES LAKERS
Kobe Bryant LAL 1.075
Pau Gasol LAL 1.000
Andrew Bynum LAL 0.940
Lamar Odom LAL 0.923
Trevor Ariza LAL 0.766
Luke Walton LAL 0.701
Derek Fisher LAL 0.647
Sasha Vujacic LAL 0.633
Vladimir Radmanovic LAL 0.571
Jordan Farmar LAL 0.557
Josh Powell LAL 0.445

MEMPHIS GRIZZLIES
Darko Milicic MEM 0.738
Hakim Warrick MEM 0.731
Mike Conley MEM 0.711
Marc Gasol MEM 0.710
Rudy Gay MEM 0.639
Kyle Lowry MEM 0.628
O.J. Mayo MEM 0.610
Marko Jaric MEM 0.602
Darrell Arthur MEM 0.599
Greg Buckner MEM 0.492
Quinton Ross MEM 0.477

MIAMI HEAT
Dwyane Wade MIA 1.295
Michael Beasley MIA 0.887
Shawn Marion MIA 0.875
Jermaine O'Neal MIA 0.796
Mario Chalmers MIA 0.762
Udonis Haslem MIA 0.724
Jamaal Magloire MIA 0.714
Chris Quinn MIA 0.682
Joel Anthony MIA 0.618
Daequan Cook MIA 0.603
Jamario Moon MIA 0.603
James Jones MIA 0.508
Yakhouba Diawara MIA 0.413

MILWAUKEE BUCKS
Andrew Bogut MIL 0.963
Ramon Sessions MIL 0.836
Charlie Villanueva MIL 0.825
Michael Redd MIL 0.790
Luke Ridnour MIL 0.758
Richard Jefferson MIL 0.701
Luc Mbah a Moute MIL 0.701
Dan Gadzuric MIL 0.596
Tyronn Lue MIL 0.580
Keith Bogans MIL 0.554
Francisco Elson MIL 0.513
Charlie Bell MIL 0.509
Malik Allen MIL 0.487
Joe Alexander MIL 0.481

MINNESOTA TIMBERWOLVES
Al Jefferson MIN 1.065
Kevin Love MIN 0.823
Craig Smith MIN 0.754
Mike Miller MIN 0.722
Corey Brewer MIN 0.692
Randy Foye MIN 0.646
Ryan Gomes MIN 0.600
Sebastian Telfair MIN 0.599
Rodney Carney MIN 0.586
Brian Cardinal MIN 0.551
Kevin Ollie MIN 0.546
Rashad McCants MIN 0.512
Jason Collins MIN 0.285

NEW JERSEY NETS
Devin Harris NJN 0.872
Vince Carter NJN 0.833
Brook Lopez NJN 0.798
Josh Boone NJN 0.742
Ryan Anderson NJN 0.678
Jarvis Hayes NJN 0.655
Keyon Dooling NJN 0.648
Chris Douglas-Roberts NJN 0.644
Yi Jianlian NJN 0.603
Bobby Simmons NJN 0.577
Eduardo Najera NJN 0.565
Sean Williams NJN 0.454
Trenton Hassell NJN 0.398

NEW ORLEANS HORNETS
Chris Paul NOH 1.277
David West NOH 0.829
Julian Wright NOH 0.770
Tyson Chandler NOH 0.672
Antonio Daniels NOH 0.634
Devin Brown NOH 0.598
Morris Peterson NOH 0.596
James Posey NOH 0.566
Peja Stojakovic NOH 0.559
Rasual Butler NOH 0.526
Hilton Armstrong NOH 0.505
Sean Marks NOH 0.469
Melvin Ely NOH 0.313

NEW YORK KNICKS
Zach Randolph NYK 1.000
David Lee NYK 0.907
Nate Robinson NYK 0.893
Al Harrington NYK 0.778
Tim Thomas NYK 0.734
Chris Wilcox NYK 0.714
Danilo Gallinari NYK 0.713
Jamal Crawford NYK 0.712
Wilson Chandler NYK 0.658
Chris Duhon NYK 0.650
Quentin Richardson NYK 0.637
Larry Hughes NYK 0.603
Jared Jeffries NYK 0.572

OKLAHOMA THUNDER
Kevin Durant OKC 0.876
Thabo Sefolosha OKC 0.820
Joe Smith OKC 0.780
Russell Westbrook OKC 0.753
Chris Wilcox OKC 0.731
Nick Collison OKC 0.716
Nenad Krstic OKC 0.716
Malik Rose OKC 0.697
Johan Petro OKC 0.662
Jeff Green OKC 0.661
Robert Swift OKC 0.596
Earl Watson OKC 0.590
Kyle Weaver OKC 0.578
Damien Wilkins OKC 0.491
Desmond Mason OKC 0.482

ORLANDO MAGIC
Dwight Howard ORL 1.083
Jameer Nelson ORL 0.940
Marcin Gortat ORL 0.821
Rashard Lewis ORL 0.761
Hedo Turkoglu ORL 0.752
Rafer Alston ORL 0.751
Tony Battie ORL 0.670
Anthony Johnson ORL 0.614
Mickael Pietrus ORL 0.559
Courtney Lee ORL 0.506
Keith Bogans ORL 0.481
J.J. Redick ORL 0.479

PHILADELPHIA 76'ERS
Andre Miller PHI 0.898
Andre Iguodala PHI 0.876
Elton Brand PHI 0.839
Samuel Dalembert PHI 0.765
Thaddeus Young PHI 0.734
Marreese Speights PHI 0.703
Louis Williams PHI 0.676
Willie Green PHI 0.580
Reggie Evans PHI 0.511
Theo Ratliff PHI 0.502
Royal Ivey PHI 0.322

PHOENIX SUNS
Amare Stoudemire PHO 0.974
Steve Nash PHO 0.956
Shaquille O'Neal PHO 0.944
Leandro Barbosa PHO 0.867
Boris Diaw PHO 0.800
Grant Hill PHO 0.766
Jared Dudley PHO 0.721
Jason Richardson PHO 0.711
Louis Amundson PHO 0.668
Matt Barnes PHO 0.656
Goran Dragic PHO 0.651
Robin Lopez PHO 0.578
Raja Bell PHO 0.487

PORTLAND TRAILBLAZERS
Brandon Roy POR 0.981
Joel Przybilla POR 0.852
LaMarcus Aldridge POR 0.840
Steve Blake POR 0.721
Greg Oden POR 0.720
Rudy Fernandez POR 0.695
Sergio Rodriguez POR 0.659
Travis Outlaw POR 0.636
Nicolas Batum POR 0.580
Channing Frye POR 0.455
Jerryd Bayless POR 0.363

SACRAMENTO KINGS
Rashad McCants SAC 0.842
Brad Miller SAC 0.800
John Salmons SAC 0.724
Jason Thompson SAC 0.715
Kevin Martin SAC 0.707
Bobby Jackson SAC 0.700
Shelden Williams SAC 0.691
Spencer Hawes SAC 0.683
Francisco Garcia SAC 0.659
Andres Nocioni SAC 0.657
Beno Udrih SAC 0.651
Mikki Moore SAC 0.572
Donte Greene SAC 0.448
Bobby Brown SAC 0.393

SAN ANTONIO SPURS
Tim Duncan SAS 1.076
Tony Parker SAS 0.985
Manu Ginobili SAS 0.888
Drew Gooden SAS 0.801
Kurt Thomas SAS 0.790
Matt Bonner SAS 0.739
Ime Udoka SAS 0.639
George Hill SAS 0.614
Roger Mason SAS 0.581
Michael Finley SAS 0.540
Fabricio Oberto SAS 0.501
Bruce Bowen SAS 0.369

TORONTO RAPTORS
Chris Bosh TOR 0.973
Jose Calderon TOR 0.903
Jamario Moon TOR 0.849
Jermaine O'Neal TOR 0.847
Shawn Marion TOR 0.743
Will Solomon TOR 0.684
Anthony Parker TOR 0.661
Andrea Bargnani TOR 0.655
Roko Ukic TOR 0.612
Joey Graham TOR 0.609
Jason Kapono TOR 0.473

UTAH JAZZ
Deron Williams UTA 0.957
Paul Millsap UTA 0.918
Andrei Kirilenko UTA 0.885
Kosta Koufos UTA 0.853
Carlos Boozer UTA 0.806
Brevin Knight UTA 0.779
Mehmet Okur UTA 0.775
Matt Harpring UTA 0.728
Ronnie Brewer UTA 0.696
Kyle Korver UTA 0.689
Ronnie Price UTA 0.554
C.J. Miles UTA 0.518

WASHINGTON WIZARDS
Antawn Jamison WAS 0.883
Andray Blatche WAS 0.811
Caron Butler WAS 0.808
Darius Songaila WAS 0.721
JaVale McGee WAS 0.692
Nick Young WAS 0.631
Dominic McGuire WAS 0.611
Mike James WAS 0.559
Javaris Crittenton WAS 0.558
Etan Thomas WAS 0.558
Juan Dixon WAS 0.549
DeShawn Stevenson WAS 0.432

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NBA Final Real Player Ratings, 2008-09 Season

NATIONAL BASKETBALL ASSOCIATION: NBA
FINAL REAL PLAYER RATINGS
NBA-WIDE LISTING
2008-09 Regular Season
Includes all tracked actions and hidden defending
All Players Who Played 300 Minutes or More Included

SCALE FOR REGULAR SEASON REAL PLAYER RATINGS
Perfect for all Practical Purposes / Major Historic Super Star 1.100 and more
Historic Super Star 1.000 1.099
Super Star 0.900 0.999
A Star Player / A Well Above Normal Starter 0.800 0.899
Outstanding Player: A Solid Starter 0.750 0.799
Major Role Player / Good Enough to Start 0.700 0.749
Good Role Player / Often a Good 6th Man 0.640 0.699
Satisfactory Role Player 0.580 0.639
Marginal Role Player 0.520 0.579
Poor Player 0.460 0.519
Very Poor Player 0.400 0.459
Extremely Poor Player and less 0.399

NOTE REGARDING LOW REGULAR SEASON RATINGS
Players rated below about .550 sometimes get playing time based largely on factors outside of RPR, but valued by coaches and other players, such as:
--Great energy, effort, and hustle
--Toughness, such as diving after loose balls and taking charges
--Leadership and/or knowledge, especially in the case of veterans
--Perceived potential for future improvement in terms of real basketball production, especially in the case of young players
--See User Guide for more

MAJOR HISTORICAL SUPERSTARS; PERFECT PLAYERS for all Practical Purposes

1 LeBron James CLE 1.331
2 Dwyane Wade MIA 1.295
3 Chris Paul NOH 1.277
4 Kevin Garnett BOS 1.106

HISTORICAL SUPERSTARS

5 Dwight Howard ORL 1.083
6 Tim Duncan SAS 1.076
7 Kobe Bryant LAL 1.075
8 Al Jefferson MIN 1.065
9 Yao Ming HOU 1.042
10 Dirk Nowitzki DAL 1.019
11 Marcus Camby LAC 1.013
12 Pau Gasol LAL 1.000
13 Zach Randolph NYK 1.000

SUPERSTARS

14 Andris Biedrins GSW 0.994
15 Tony Parker SAS 0.985
16 Brandon Roy POR 0.981
17 Amare Stoudemire PHO 0.974
18 Chris Bosh TOR 0.973
19 Andrew Bogut MIL 0.963
20 Deron Williams UTA 0.957
21 Steve Nash PHO 0.956
22 Shaquille O'Neal PHO 0.944
23 Zach Randolph LAC 0.941
24 Andrew Bynum LAL 0.940
25 Jameer Nelson ORL 0.940
26 Rajon Rondo BOS 0.938
27 Jason Kidd DAL 0.932
28 Lamar Odom LAL 0.923
29 Danny Granger IND 0.923
30 Paul Millsap UTA 0.918
31 Brad Miller CHI 0.916
32 Zydrunas Ilgauskas CLE 0.913
33 David Lee NYK 0.907
34 Brandan Wright GSW 0.905
35 Jose Calderon TOR 0.903
36 Troy Murphy IND 0.902
37 Carmelo Anthony DEN 0.901

STARS

38 Andre Miller PHI 0.898
39 Nate Robinson NYK 0.893
40 Manu Ginobili SAS 0.888
41 Michael Beasley MIA 0.887
42 Andrei Kirilenko UTA 0.885
43 Antawn Jamison WAS 0.883
44 Nene Hilario DEN 0.880
45 Kevin Durant OKC 0.876
46 Andre Iguodala PHI 0.876
47 Shawn Marion MIA 0.875
48 Devin Harris NJN 0.872
49 Al Horford ATL 0.872
50 Chauncey Billups DEN 0.870
51 Leandro Barbosa PHO 0.867
52 Anthony Randolph GSW 0.863
53 Kosta Koufos UTA 0.853
54 Joel Przybilla POR 0.852
55 Joe Johnson ATL 0.851
56 Jamario Moon TOR 0.849
57 Gerald Wallace CHA 0.847
58 Jermaine O'Neal TOR 0.847
59 Rashad McCants SAC 0.842
60 LaMarcus Aldridge POR 0.840
61 Elton Brand PHI 0.839
62 Ramon Sessions MIL 0.836
63 Chris Andersen DEN 0.835
64 T.J. Ford IND 0.834
65 Vince Carter NJN 0.833
66 Emeka Okafor CHA 0.832
67 Ronny Turiaf GSW 0.830
68 David West NOH 0.829
69 James Singleton DAL 0.828
70 Jason Terry DAL 0.827
71 Charlie Villanueva MIL 0.825
72 Joakim Noah CHI 0.824
73 J.R. Smith DEN 0.824
74 Kevin Love MIN 0.823
75 Marcin Gortat ORL 0.821
76 Josh Smith ATL 0.821
77 Thabo Sefolosha OKC 0.820
78 Will Bynum DET 0.819
79 Stephen Jackson GSW 0.816
80 Renaldo Balkman DEN 0.815
81 Andray Blatche WAS 0.811
82 Tracy McGrady HOU 0.810
83 Caron Butler WAS 0.808
84 Carlos Boozer UTA 0.806
85 Ron Artest HOU 0.806
86 Josh Howard DAL 0.804
87 Drew Gooden SAS 0.801
88 Boris Diaw PHO 0.800
89 Brad Miller SAC 0.800

OUTSTANDING PLAYERS: SOLID STARTERS

90 Antonio McDyess DET 0.799
91 Brook Lopez NJN 0.798
92 Jermaine O'Neal MIA 0.796
93 Paul Pierce BOS 0.795
94 Luis Scola HOU 0.793
95 Kirk Hinrich CHI 0.792
96 Kurt Thomas SAS 0.790
97 Michael Redd MIL 0.790
98 Baron Davis LAC 0.790
99 Mo Williams CLE 0.789
100 Leon Powe BOS 0.786
101 Joe Smith OKC 0.780
102 Brevin Knight UTA 0.779
103 Drew Gooden CHI 0.778
104 Al Harrington NYK 0.778
105 Mehmet Okur UTA 0.775
106 Derrick Rose CHI 0.774
107 Kyle Lowry HOU 0.771
108 Julian Wright NOH 0.770
109 Jeff Foster IND 0.770
110 Rasheed Wallace DET 0.767
111 Trevor Ariza LAL 0.766
112 Grant Hill PHO 0.766
113 Samuel Dalembert PHI 0.765
114 Rasho Nesterovic IND 0.763
115 Mario Chalmers MIA 0.762
116 Ray Allen BOS 0.762
117 Rashard Lewis ORL 0.761
118 Erick Dampier DAL 0.761
119 Allen Iverson DET 0.760
120 Tyrus Thomas CHI 0.760
121 Ben Wallace CLE 0.759
122 Mike Bibby ATL 0.759
123 Luke Ridnour MIL 0.758
124 Zaza Pachulia ATL 0.758
125 Chris Kaman LAC 0.756
126 Travis Diener IND 0.755
127 Kenyon Martin DEN 0.754
128 Craig Smith MIN 0.754
129 Russell Westbrook OKC 0.753
130 Hedo Turkoglu ORL 0.752
131 Boris Diaw CHA 0.751
132 Rafer Alston ORL 0.751

MAJOR ROLE PLAYERS: GOOD ENOUGH TO START

133 Delonte West CLE 0.748
134 Roy Hibbert IND 0.747
135 Luol Deng CHI 0.746
136 Raymond Felton CHA 0.745
137 Shawn Marion TOR 0.743
138 Amir Johnson DET 0.742
139 Josh Boone NJN 0.742
140 Kelenna Azubuike GSW 0.742
141 Richard Hamilton DET 0.742
142 Matt Bonner SAS 0.739
143 Darko Milicic MEM 0.738
144 Ben Gordon CHI 0.737
145 Thaddeus Young PHI 0.734
146 Tim Thomas NYK 0.734
147 Jose Barea DAL 0.734
148 Brandon Bass DAL 0.733
149 Hakim Warrick MEM 0.731
150 Chris Wilcox OKC 0.731
151 Ronald Murray ATL 0.730
152 Matt Harpring UTA 0.728
153 C.J. Watson GSW 0.728
154 Udonis Haslem MIA 0.724
155 Carl Landry HOU 0.724
156 John Salmons SAC 0.724
157 Mike Miller MIN 0.722
158 Steve Blake POR 0.721
159 Darius Songaila WAS 0.721
160 Corey Maggette GSW 0.721
161 Jared Dudley PHO 0.721
162 Greg Oden POR 0.720
163 Nick Collison OKC 0.716
164 Nenad Krstic OKC 0.716
165 Jason Thompson SAC 0.715
166 Jamaal Magloire MIA 0.714
167 Chris Wilcox NYK 0.714
168 Rodney Stuckey DET 0.713
169 Danilo Gallinari NYK 0.713
170 Jamal Crawford NYK 0.712
171 Jason Richardson PHO 0.711
172 Mike Conley MEM 0.711
173 Marc Gasol MEM 0.710
174 Marquis Daniels IND 0.710
175 Marvin Williams ATL 0.707
176 Eddie House BOS 0.707
177 Kevin Martin SAC 0.707
178 Joe Smith CLE 0.705
179 Marreese Speights PHI 0.703
180 Luke Walton LAL 0.701
181 Richard Jefferson MIL 0.701
182 Luc Mbah a Moute MIL 0.701
183 Bobby Jackson SAC 0.700

GOOD ROLE PLAYERS: OFTEN GOOD 6TH MEN

184 Tayshaun Prince DET 0.698
185 Monta Ellis GSW 0.698
186 Malik Rose OKC 0.697
187 Ronnie Brewer UTA 0.696
188 Rudy Fernandez POR 0.695
189 Anderson Varejao CLE 0.694
190 Corey Brewer MIN 0.692
191 Jason Richardson CHA 0.692
192 JaVale McGee WAS 0.692
193 Shelden Williams SAC 0.691
194 Kyle Korver UTA 0.689
195 Anthony Morrow GSW 0.687
196 Larry Hughes CHI 0.686
197 Will Solomon TOR 0.684
198 Spencer Hawes SAC 0.683
199 Chris Quinn MIA 0.682
200 Paul Davis LAC 0.680
201 Ryan Anderson NJN 0.678
202 Louis Williams PHI 0.676
203 Kwame Brown DET 0.675
204 Tyson Chandler NOH 0.672
205 Tony Battie ORL 0.670
206 John Salmons CHI 0.669
207 Anthony Carter DEN 0.669
208 Jamal Crawford GSW 0.668
209 Louis Amundson PHO 0.668
210 Acie Law ATL 0.666
211 Kendrick Perkins BOS 0.666
212 D.J. Augustin CHA 0.665
213 Johan Petro OKC 0.662
214 Jeff Green OKC 0.661
215 Anthony Parker TOR 0.661
216 Sergio Rodriguez POR 0.659
217 Francisco Garcia SAC 0.659
218 Jarrett Jack IND 0.658
219 Wilson Chandler NYK 0.658
220 Andres Nocioni SAC 0.657
221 Matt Barnes PHO 0.656
222 Jarvis Hayes NJN 0.655
223 Andrea Bargnani TOR 0.655
224 Tony Allen BOS 0.652
225 Eric Gordon LAC 0.651
226 Beno Udrih SAC 0.651
227 Goran Dragic PHO 0.651
228 Chris Duhon NYK 0.650
229 Keyon Dooling NJN 0.648
230 Derek Fisher LAL 0.647
231 Randy Foye MIN 0.646
232 Chris Douglas-Roberts NJN 0.644
233 Rafer Alston HOU 0.641

SATISFACTORY ROLE PLAYERS

234 Rudy Gay MEM 0.639
235 Ime Udoka SAS 0.639
236 Quentin Richardson NYK 0.637
237 Travis Outlaw POR 0.636
238 DeAndre Jordan LAC 0.635
239 Antonio Daniels NOH 0.634
240 Sasha Vujacic LAL 0.633
241 Thabo Sefolosha CHI 0.632
242 Mardy Collins LAC 0.631
243 Nick Young WAS 0.631
244 Marco Belinelli GSW 0.628
245 Kyle Lowry MEM 0.628
246 Von Wafer HOU 0.622
247 Mike Dunleavy IND 0.621
248 Aaron Brooks HOU 0.621
249 Joel Anthony MIA 0.618
250 Anthony Johnson ORL 0.614
251 George Hill SAS 0.614
252 Rob Kurz GSW 0.612
253 Roko Ukic TOR 0.612
254 Dominic McGuire WAS 0.611
255 Andres Nocioni CHI 0.610
256 O.J. Mayo MEM 0.610
257 Linas Kleiza DEN 0.610
258 Joey Graham TOR 0.609
259 Mike Taylor LAC 0.605
260 Larry Hughes NYK 0.603
261 Yi Jianlian NJN 0.603
262 Daequan Cook MIA 0.603
263 Jamario Moon MIA 0.603
264 Marko Jaric MEM 0.602
265 Ryan Gomes MIN 0.600
266 Darrell Arthur MEM 0.599
267 Sebastian Telfair MIN 0.599
268 Devin Brown NOH 0.598
269 Jason Maxiell DET 0.597
270 Aaron Gray CHI 0.597
271 Dan Gadzuric MIL 0.596
272 Morris Peterson NOH 0.596
273 Robert Swift OKC 0.596
274 Steve Novak LAC 0.595
275 Shane Battier HOU 0.591
276 Al Thornton LAC 0.590
277 Earl Watson OKC 0.590
278 Gabe Pruitt BOS 0.589
279 Raja Bell CHA 0.587
280 Brian Skinner LAC 0.587
281 Rodney Carney MIN 0.586
282 Roger Mason SAS 0.581
283 Tyronn Lue MIL 0.580
284 Willie Green PHI 0.580
285 Nicolas Batum POR 0.580

MARGINAL ROLE PLAYERS

286 Robin Lopez PHO 0.578
287 Kyle Weaver OKC 0.578
288 Bobby Simmons NJN 0.577
289 Jared Jeffries NYK 0.572
290 Mikki Moore SAC 0.572
291 Vladimir Radmanovic LAL 0.571
292 James Posey NOH 0.566
293 Eduardo Najera NJN 0.565
294 Jared Dudley CHA 0.563
295 Mickael Pietrus ORL 0.559
296 Mike James WAS 0.559
297 Peja Stojakovic NOH 0.559
298 Javaris Crittenton WAS 0.558
299 Etan Thomas WAS 0.558
300 Jordan Farmar LAL 0.557
301 Keith Bogans MIL 0.554
302 Ronnie Price UTA 0.554
303 Brian Cardinal MIN 0.551
304 Juan Dixon WAS 0.549
305 Kevin Ollie MIN 0.546
306 Walter Herrmann DET 0.545
307 Wally Szczerbiak CLE 0.542
308 Chuck Hayes HOU 0.541
309 Michael Finley SAS 0.540
310 Cuttino Mobley LAC 0.536
311 Jason Hart LAC 0.535
312 Fred Jones LAC 0.533
313 Brandon Rush IND 0.531
314 Rasual Butler NOH 0.526
315 Gerald Green DAL 0.525
316 Glen Davis BOS 0.522
317 Vladimir Radmanovic CHA 0.521

POOR PLAYERS

318 C.J. Miles UTA 0.518
319 Maurice Evans ATL 0.517
320 Francisco Elson MIL 0.513
321 Rashad McCants MIN 0.512
322 Reggie Evans PHI 0.511
323 Charlie Bell MIL 0.509
324 James Jones MIA 0.508
325 Courtney Lee ORL 0.506
326 Hilton Armstrong NOH 0.505
327 Theo Ratliff PHI 0.502
328 Fabricio Oberto SAS 0.501
329 DeSagana Diop DAL 0.500
330 Stephen Graham IND 0.498
331 Brent Barry HOU 0.498
332 DeSagana Diop CHA 0.496
333 Greg Buckner MEM 0.492
334 Shannon Brown CHA 0.491
335 Damien Wilkins OKC 0.491
336 Raja Bell PHO 0.487
337 Malik Allen MIL 0.487
338 J.J. Hickson CLE 0.485
339 Desmond Mason OKC 0.482
340 Keith Bogans ORL 0.481
341 Joe Alexander MIL 0.481
342 Juwan Howard CHA 0.480
343 J.J. Redick ORL 0.479
344 Daniel Gibson CLE 0.478
345 Solomon Jones ATL 0.478
346 Quinton Ross MEM 0.477
347 Jason Kapono TOR 0.473
348 Sean Marks NOH 0.469

VERY POOR PLAYERS

349 Matt Carroll CHA 0.458
350 Channing Frye POR 0.455
351 Sean Williams NJN 0.454
352 Mikki Moore BOS 0.450
353 Donte Greene SAC 0.448
354 Josh Powell LAL 0.445
355 Dahntay Jones DEN 0.445
356 Luther Head HOU 0.440
357 Nazr Mohammed CHA 0.435
358 DeShawn Stevenson WAS 0.432
359 Sean May CHA 0.425
360 Antoine Wright DAL 0.421
361 Yakhouba Diawara MIA 0.413

EXTREMELY POOR PLAYERS

362 Trenton Hassell NJN 0.398
363 Sasha Pavlovic CLE 0.393
364 Bobby Brown SAC 0.393
365 Ricky Davis LAC 0.392
366 Arron Afflalo DET 0.386
367 Stephon Marbury BOS 0.383
368 Devean George DAL 0.377
369 Bruce Bowen SAS 0.369
370 Jerryd Bayless POR 0.363
371 Brian Scalabrine BOS 0.358
372 Adam Morrison CHA 0.334
373 Royal Ivey PHI 0.322
374 Melvin Ely NOH 0.313
375 Jason Collins MIN 0.285
376 Darnell Jackson CLE 0.283

SCALE FOR REGULAR SEASON REAL PLAYER RATINGS
Perfect for all Practical Purposes / Major Historic Super Star 1.100 and more
Historic Super Star 1.000 1.099
Super Star 0.900 0.999
A Star Player / A Well Above Normal Starter 0.800 0.899
Outstanding Player: A Solid Starter 0.750 0.799
Major Role Player / Good Enough to Start 0.700 0.749
Good Role Player / Often a Good 6th Man 0.640 0.699
Satisfactory Role Player 0.580 0.639
Marginal Role Player 0.520 0.579
Poor Player 0.460 0.519
Very Poor Player 0.400 0.459
Extremely Poor Player and less 0.399

NOTE REGARDING LOW REGULAR SEASON RATINGS
Players rated below about .550 sometimes get playing time based largely on factors outside of RPR, but valued by coaches and other players, such as:
--Great energy, effort, and hustle
--Toughness, such as diving after loose balls and taking charges
--Leadership and/or knowledge, especially in the case of veterans
--Perceived potential for future improvement in terms of real basketball production, especially in the case of young players
--See User Guide for more

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NBA Players Rated and Ranked According to Total Real Player Production, 2008-09 Season

NATIONAL BASKETBALL ASSOCIATION: NBA
TOTAL REAL PLAYER PRODUCTION OF PLAYERS:
PLAYERS RATED AND RANKED ACCORDING TO TOTAL NET BASKETBALL PRODUCTION
2008-09 Regular Season
Includes all tracked offensive actions, all tracked defensive actions, and an estimate of the value of hidden defending
All Players Who Played 300 Minutes or More Included

1 LeBron James CLE 4063.44
2 Dwyane Wade MIA 3947.25
3 Chris Paul NOH 3833.48
4 Kobe Bryant LAL 3180.83
5 Dirk Nowitzki DAL 3106.65
6 Dwight Howard ORL 3056.22
7 Pau Gasol LAL 3000.49
8 Andre Iguodala PHI 2862.63
9 Chris Bosh TOR 2849.87
10 Brandon Roy POR 2848.57
11 Antawn Jamison WAS 2734.88
12 Tim Duncan SAS 2713.51
13 Yao Ming HOU 2696.89
14 Jason Kidd DAL 2688.81
15 Andre Miller PHI 2673.03
16 Joe Johnson ATL 2657.55
17 David Lee NYK 2560.37
18 Kevin Durant OKC 2527.09
19 LaMarcus Aldridge POR 2524.24
20 Rajon Rondo BOS 2477.43
21 David West NOH 2472.73
22 Vince Carter NJN 2455.47
23 Tony Parker SAS 2418.05
24 Paul Pierce BOS 2412.73
25 Deron Williams UTA 2397.17
26 Steve Nash PHO 2374.93
27 Chauncey Billups DEN 2364.79
28 Derrick Rose CHI 2321.20
29 Raymond Felton CHA 2298.88
30 Gerald Wallace CHA 2260.90

31 Emeka Okafor CHA 2240.16
32 Troy Murphy IND 2238.69
33 Danny Granger IND 2236.28
34 Mo Williams CLE 2236.08
35 Ben Gordon CHI 2210.55
36 Nene Hilario DEN 2209.26
37 Ray Allen BOS 2190.08
38 Rashard Lewis ORL 2177.03
39 Devin Harris NJN 2174.11
40 Lamar Odom LAL 2138.75
41 Tayshaun Prince DET 2135.07
42 Shaquille O'Neal PHO 2124.84
43 Hedo Turkoglu ORL 2115.89
44 Jose Calderon TOR 2107.47
45 Paul Millsap UTA 2102.41
46 Caron Butler WAS 2089.41
47 Mike Bibby ATL 2078.95
48 Jason Terry DAL 2060.73
49 Richard Jefferson MIL 2060.56
50 Carmelo Anthony DEN 2051.97
51 Russell Westbrook OKC 2008.54
52 Mario Chalmers MIA 1999.71
53 Brook Lopez NJN 1996.15
54 Josh Smith ATL 1987.23
55 Ron Artest HOU 1976.48
56 Luis Scola HOU 1972.33
57 Nate Robinson NYK 1971.65
58 Kevin Garnett BOS 1960.50
59 Al Jefferson MIN 1954.62
60 Al Horford ATL 1954.05

61 Marcus Camby LAC 1949.23
62 Stephen Jackson GSW 1909.24
63 O.J. Mayo MEM 1904.68
64 Amare Stoudemire PHO 1898.31
65 Jeff Green OKC 1898.18
66 Thaddeus Young PHI 1892.47
67 Chris Duhon NYK 1888.03
68 T.J. Ford IND 1883.37
69 Rudy Gay MEM 1883.07
70 Grant Hill PHO 1872.71
71 Mehmet Okur UTA 1868.03
72 Udonis Haslem MIA 1854.46
73 Andris Biedrins GSW 1852.34
74 Al Harrington NYK 1850.46
75 J.R. Smith DEN 1849.35
76 Ramon Sessions MIL 1817.54
77 Ronnie Brewer UTA 1813.83
78 Wilson Chandler NYK 1800.39
79 Rodney Stuckey DET 1794.47
80 Marc Gasol MEM 1789.81
81 Jarrett Jack IND 1788.47
82 Mike Conley MEM 1783.69
83 Michael Beasley MIA 1781.29
84 Baron Davis LAC 1775.19
85 Kelenna Azubuike GSW 1761.68
86 Eric Gordon LAC 1743.89
87 Anthony Parker TOR 1742.94
88 Charlie Villanueva MIL 1727.71
89 Mike Miller MIN 1700.26
90 Richard Hamilton DET 1690.10

91 Kevin Love MIN 1685.33
92 Boris Diaw CHA 1664.50
93 Joel Przybilla POR 1662.20
94 Tyrus Thomas CHI 1653.68
95 Jason Thompson SAC 1647.28
96 Rasheed Wallace DET 1629.16
97 Andrei Kirilenko UTA 1619.95
98 Zydrunas Ilgauskas CLE 1611.92
99 Randy Foye MIN 1611.07
100 Delonte West CLE 1610.22
101 Andrea Bargnani TOR 1606.97
102 Anderson Varejao CLE 1600.66
103 Joakim Noah CHI 1597.32
104 Kenyon Martin DEN 1591.51
105 Derek Fisher LAL 1578.41
106 Steve Blake POR 1578.37
107 Ryan Gomes MIN 1569.45
108 Al Thornton LAC 1565.66
109 Samuel Dalembert PHI 1557.50
110 Spencer Hawes SAC 1543.22
111 Luke Ridnour MIL 1541.90
112 Trevor Ariza LAL 1530.36
113 Kendrick Perkins BOS 1499.89
114 Allen Iverson DET 1498.03
115 Antonio McDyess DET 1490.48
116 Hakim Warrick MEM 1483.69
117 Luc Mbah a Moute MIL 1480.93
118 Marvin Williams ATL 1480.23
119 Leandro Barbosa PHO 1478.80
120 Beno Udrih SAC 1478.17

121 Roger Mason SAS 1449.86
122 Ronald Murray ATL 1441.58
123 John Salmons SAC 1434.11
124 Travis Outlaw POR 1428.27
125 Matt Bonner SAS 1424.63
126 Ronny Turiaf GSW 1407.89
127 Jeff Foster IND 1406.91
128 Erick Dampier DAL 1397.47
129 Jamal Crawford GSW 1394.56
130 Rudy Fernandez POR 1384.55
131 Andray Blatche WAS 1380.43
132 Rasual Butler NOH 1376.15
133 Kevin Martin SAC 1375.95
134 C.J. Watson GSW 1369.94
135 Matt Barnes PHO 1366.43
136 Jason Richardson PHO 1364.82
137 Andrew Bynum LAL 1359.83
138 Keyon Dooling NJN 1344.87
139 Josh Howard DAL 1337.44
140 Shawn Marion MIA 1327.13
141 Nick Collison OKC 1311.85
142 Francisco Garcia SAC 1300.68
143 Louis Williams PHI 1296.67
144 Kyle Korver UTA 1290.38
145 Zach Randolph LAC 1288.90
146 D.J. Augustin CHA 1269.53
147 Dominic McGuire WAS 1267.01
148 Michael Finley SAS 1262.33
149 Sebastian Telfair MIN 1253.96
150 Luol Deng CHI 1242.19

151 Aaron Brooks HOU 1240.19
152 Jameer Nelson ORL 1230.18
153 Chris Andersen DEN 1219.82
154 James Posey NOH 1212.18
155 Quentin Richardson NYK 1206.80
156 Marquis Daniels IND 1206.30
157 Jarvis Hayes NJN 1200.45
158 Shane Battier HOU 1200.42
159 Anthony Carter DEN 1194.00
160 Jose Barea DAL 1174.15
161 Jamario Moon TOR 1170.13
162 Peja Stojakovic NOH 1167.60
163 Nick Young WAS 1158.74
164 Brandon Bass DAL 1153.19
165 Corey Maggette GSW 1145.11
166 Zaza Pachulia ATL 1116.36
167 Linas Kleiza DEN 1111.76
168 Kurt Thomas SAS 1109.61
169 Daequan Cook MIA 1104.89
170 Craig Smith MIN 1100.21
171 Darius Songaila WAS 1097.11
172 Brad Miller SAC 1083.65
173 Andrew Bogut MIL 1082.38
174 Carl Landry HOU 1062.60
175 Kirk Hinrich CHI 1060.53
176 Willie Green PHI 1060.08
177 Manu Ginobili SAS 1048.62
178 Earl Watson OKC 1047.01
179 Eddie House BOS 1045.78
180 Anthony Morrow GSW 1041.56

181 Bobby Jackson SAC 1038.35
182 Jermaine O'Neal TOR 1029.39
183 Rafer Alston HOU 1019.86
184 Ben Wallace CLE 997.72
185 Bobby Simmons NJN 997.25
186 Courtney Lee ORL 980.56
187 Anthony Randolph GSW 973.93
188 Tyson Chandler NOH 971.32
189 Carlos Boozer UTA 965.15
190 Leon Powe BOS 964.91
191 Brandon Rush IND 957.10
192 Tracy McGrady HOU 956.86
193 Maurice Evans ATL 952.06
194 Michael Redd MIL 950.30
195 Greg Oden POR 945.51
196 Raja Bell CHA 941.69
197 Joey Graham TOR 938.85
198 Rasho Nesterovic IND 926.30
199 Anthony Johnson ORL 909.54
200 Charlie Bell MIL 907.90
201 Ryan Anderson NJN 889.23
202 Marreese Speights PHI 887.15
203 Mike James WAS 880.38
204 Darrell Arthur MEM 877.43
205 Jason Kapono TOR 865.67
206 Daniel Gibson CLE 858.15
207 Yi Jianlian NJN 856.93
208 Glen Davis BOS 854.26
209 Nicolas Batum POR 842.74
210 C.J. Miles UTA 841.20

211 Jason Maxiell DET 840.90
212 Wally Szczerbiak CLE 827.14
213 Sasha Vujacic LAL 818.31
214 Luke Walton LAL 817.64
215 Nenad Krstic OKC 817.10
216 Sergio Rodriguez POR 806.78
217 Tony Battie ORL 805.29
218 Fred Jones LAC 797.21
219 JaVale McGee WAS 790.97
220 Andres Nocioni CHI 780.19
221 George Hill SAS 779.38
222 Elton Brand PHI 771.62
223 Darko Milicic MEM 763.46
224 Von Wafer HOU 761.93
225 Roy Hibbert IND 754.06
226 Jared Jeffries NYK 749.43
227 Mickael Pietrus ORL 743.20
228 Josh Boone NJN 738.27
229 James Singleton DAL 732.21
230 Brevin Knight UTA 730.48
231 Drew Gooden CHI 714.44
232 Shawn Marion TOR 708.97
233 Rodney Carney MIN 702.37
234 Louis Amundson PHO 697.01
235 Chris Kaman LAC 696.15
236 Steve Novak LAC 690.54
237 Brad Miller CHI 683.37
238 Amir Johnson DET 676.04
239 Kwame Brown DET 674.38
240 Kyle Weaver OKC 674.05

241 Kyle Lowry MEM 672.07
242 Jordan Farmar LAL 663.39
243 Ime Udoka SAS 661.04
244 Will Bynum DET 657.41
245 Chris Quinn MIA 656.02
246 John Salmons CHI 654.87
247 Antoine Wright DAL 654.15
248 Marcin Gortat ORL 652.27
249 Joel Anthony MIA 647.61
250 Jermaine O'Neal MIA 645.74
251 Rafer Alston ORL 642.75
252 Renaldo Balkman DEN 635.86
253 Dahntay Jones DEN 633.89
254 Javaris Crittenton WAS 630.35
255 Monta Ellis GSW 622.97
256 Brandan Wright GSW 622.32
257 Julian Wright NOH 594.28
258 Thabo Sefolosha OKC 586.88
259 Reggie Evans PHI 582.03
260 Tony Allen BOS 578.04
261 Tim Thomas NYK 567.49
262 Dan Gadzuric MIL 561.26
263 Bruce Bowen SAS 556.28
264 Quinton Ross MEM 555.66
265 Marco Belinelli GSW 553.87
266 Hilton Armstrong NOH 551.57
267 Roko Ukic TOR 544.51
268 Larry Hughes CHI 543.41
269 Travis Diener IND 542.99
270 Joe Smith OKC 539.30

271 J.J. Redick ORL 531.96
272 Chris Wilcox OKC 525.52
273 Jared Dudley PHO 524.59
274 Devin Brown NOH 519.29
275 Mardy Collins LAC 514.48
276 Desmond Mason OKC 512.69
277 Jamaal Magloire MIA 506.50
278 Matt Harpring UTA 504.73
279 Francisco Elson MIL 501.66
280 Brian Cardinal MIN 500.92
281 Brian Skinner LAC 495.20
282 DeAndre Jordan LAC 489.37
283 Kosta Koufos UTA 482.12
284 Arron Afflalo DET 476.09
285 Goran Dragic PHO 473.90
286 Kyle Lowry HOU 468.78
287 Andres Nocioni SAC 468.21
288 Mike Taylor LAC 466.20
289 Antonio Daniels NOH 465.02
290 Thabo Sefolosha CHI 464.42
291 Chuck Hayes HOU 464.20
292 Kevin Ollie MIN 463.75
293 Juan Dixon WAS 448.31
294 Vladimir Radmanovic LAL 440.22
295 Trenton Hassell NJN 435.03
296 Greg Buckner MEM 431.99
297 Boris Diaw PHO 430.58
298 Aaron Gray CHI 426.98
299 Brent Barry HOU 426.84
300 Mikki Moore SAC 426.73

301 Jamario Moon MIA 415.30
302 Larry Hughes NYK 414.50
303 Sasha Pavlovic CLE 413.92
304 Ronnie Price UTA 408.54
305 Sean Marks NOH 392.91
306 Rashad McCants SAC 391.46
307 Zach Randolph NYK 387.98
308 DeShawn Stevenson WAS 383.10
309 Keith Bogans ORL 378.74
310 Chris Douglas-Roberts NJN 376.05
311 Acie Law ATL 372.83
312 Will Solomon TOR 371.90
313 Marko Jaric MEM 364.41
314 Robin Lopez PHO 354.88
315 Vladimir Radmanovic CHA 351.47
316 Yakhouba Diawara MIA 350.95
317 Raja Bell PHO 346.81
318 Joe Alexander MIL 344.34
319 Walter Herrmann DET 343.36
320 J.J. Hickson CLE 342.05
321 Stephen Graham IND 340.92
322 Jason Richardson CHA 339.98
323 Channing Frye POR 339.38
324 Fabricio Oberto SAS 339.05
325 Rashad McCants MIN 325.34
326 Donte Greene SAC 325.13
327 Solomon Jones ATL 322.53
328 James Jones MIA 319.95
329 Josh Powell LAL 313.05
330 Damien Wilkins OKC 312.33

331 Ricky Davis LAC 307.75
332 Mike Dunleavy IND 307.37
333 Morris Peterson NOH 307.06
334 Danilo Gallinari NYK 293.57
335 Theo Ratliff PHI 290.41
336 Joe Smith CLE 289.95
337 DeSagana Diop CHA 289.59
338 Malik Allen MIL 281.78
339 Jamal Crawford NYK 278.91
340 Royal Ivey PHI 277.30
341 Rob Kurz GSW 270.55
342 Keith Bogans MIL 268.68
343 Devean George DAL 266.68
344 Bobby Brown SAC 265.20
345 Drew Gooden SAS 256.20
346 Jared Dudley CHA 240.37
347 Jerryd Bayless POR 237.92
348 Chris Wilcox NYK 235.63
349 Tyronn Lue MIL 227.43
350 Johan Petro OKC 226.45
351 DeSagana Diop DAL 225.78
352 Adam Morrison CHA 223.09
353 Malik Rose OKC 218.18
354 Matt Carroll CHA 217.60
355 Paul Davis LAC 217.47
356 Juwan Howard CHA 215.90
357 Gabe Pruitt BOS 215.60
358 Corey Brewer MIN 212.58
359 Shelden Williams SAC 210.61
360 Mikki Moore BOS 205.14

361 Robert Swift OKC 204.45
362 Gerald Green DAL 197.22
363 Cuttino Mobley LAC 195.56
364 Brian Scalabrine BOS 180.37
365 Eduardo Najera NJN 180.36
366 Etan Thomas WAS 170.66
367 Shannon Brown CHA 167.54
368 Jason Hart LAC 166.93
369 Sean Williams NJN 165.98
370 Stephon Marbury BOS 158.73
371 Nazr Mohammed CHA 148.29
372 Luther Head HOU 141.72
373 Sean May CHA 127.94
374 Darnell Jackson CLE 121.85
375 Jason Collins MIN 120.44
376 Melvin Ely NOH 116.64

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Thursday, July 2, 2009

NBA Players Rated and Ranked According to Real Offensive Quality, 2008-09 Season

NATIONAL BASKETBALL ASSOCIATION: NBA
OFFENSIVE SUB RATING OF PLAYERS:
PLAYERS RATED AND RANKED ACCORDING TO QUALITY OF OFFENSE
2008-09 Regular Season
Includes all tracked offensive actions
All Players Who Played 300 Minutes or More Included

1 Chris Paul NOH 0.917
2 LeBron James CLE 0.877
3 Dwyane Wade MIA 0.868
4 Deron Williams UTA 0.792
5 Tony Parker SAS 0.782
6 Kobe Bryant LAL 0.772
7 Steve Nash PHO 0.753
8 Brandon Roy POR 0.710
9 Jameer Nelson ORL 0.694
10 Jose Calderon TOR 0.691
11 Devin Harris NJN 0.660
12 Pau Gasol LAL 0.652
13 Dirk Nowitzki DAL 0.651
14 Nate Robinson NYK 0.640
15 Danny Granger IND 0.637
16 Chauncey Billups DEN 0.637
17 Tim Duncan SAS 0.635
18 Al Jefferson MIN 0.631
19 Rajon Rondo BOS 0.627
20 Ramon Sessions MIL 0.619
21 Andre Miller PHI 0.614
22 Manu Ginobili SAS 0.611
23 Jason Terry DAL 0.605
24 Vince Carter NJN 0.604
25 Chris Bosh TOR 0.604
26 Leandro Barbosa PHO 0.603
27 Will Bynum DET 0.596
28 Joe Johnson ATL 0.596
29 Carmelo Anthony DEN 0.587
30 T.J. Ford IND 0.586

31 Shaquille O'Neal PHO 0.586
32 Zach Randolph LAC 0.586
33 Derrick Rose CHI 0.583
34 Richard Hamilton DET 0.579
35 Kevin Durant OKC 0.573
36 Charlie Villanueva MIL 0.571
37 Antawn Jamison WAS 0.570
38 Yao Ming HOU 0.568
39 Kevin Garnett BOS 0.565
40 Brad Miller CHI 0.559
41 Amare Stoudemire PHO 0.557
42 Michael Redd MIL 0.556
43 Mo Williams CLE 0.552
44 Jamal Crawford NYK 0.546
45 Caron Butler WAS 0.543
46 Ben Gordon CHI 0.540
47 Jason Kidd DAL 0.540
48 Zach Randolph NYK 0.540
49 Kevin Martin SAC 0.539
50 Andrew Bynum LAL 0.539
51 David Lee NYK 0.537
52 Stephen Jackson GSW 0.537
53 Baron Davis LAC 0.530
54 Ray Allen BOS 0.528
55 J.R. Smith DEN 0.527
56 Drew Gooden SAS 0.527
57 Mike Bibby ATL 0.526
58 Paul Millsap UTA 0.525
59 Dwight Howard ORL 0.524
60 LaMarcus Aldridge POR 0.523

61 David West NOH 0.519
62 Andre Iguodala PHI 0.519
63 Brandan Wright GSW 0.518
64 Carlos Boozer UTA 0.517
65 Will Solomon TOR 0.515
66 Rashad McCants SAC 0.515
67 Marreese Speights PHI 0.510
68 Paul Pierce BOS 0.510
69 Russell Westbrook OKC 0.510
70 Jason Richardson PHO 0.506
71 Roy Hibbert IND 0.505
72 Jamal Crawford GSW 0.504
73 John Salmons SAC 0.503
74 Jose Barea DAL 0.500
75 Tracy McGrady HOU 0.499
76 D.J. Augustin CHA 0.498
77 Rodney Stuckey DET 0.498
78 Jason Richardson CHA 0.498
79 Rasho Nesterovic IND 0.497
80 Andris Biedrins GSW 0.496
81 Craig Smith MIN 0.496
82 Corey Maggette GSW 0.494
83 Mehmet Okur UTA 0.493
84 Rafer Alston ORL 0.492
85 Anthony Morrow GSW 0.490
86 Michael Beasley MIA 0.488
87 Louis Williams PHI 0.487
88 Steve Blake POR 0.485
89 Josh Howard DAL 0.483
90 Monta Ellis GSW 0.482

91 Kevin Love MIN 0.482
92 Travis Diener IND 0.482
93 Troy Murphy IND 0.481
94 Kyle Lowry HOU 0.479
95 Richard Jefferson MIL 0.479
96 Nene Hilario DEN 0.478
97 Carl Landry HOU 0.477
98 Al Harrington NYK 0.476
99 Allen Iverson DET 0.471
100 Rashard Lewis ORL 0.471
101 Zydrunas Ilgauskas CLE 0.471
102 Sergio Rodriguez POR 0.470
103 Boris Diaw CHA 0.470
104 Brad Miller SAC 0.470
105 Hedo Turkoglu ORL 0.469
106 Luis Scola HOU 0.467
107 Luke Ridnour MIL 0.467
108 Raymond Felton CHA 0.466
109 Randy Foye MIN 0.464
110 Chris Quinn MIA 0.462
111 Chris Duhon NYK 0.459
112 John Salmons CHI 0.458
113 Leon Powe BOS 0.457
114 Mike Dunleavy IND 0.456
115 Shawn Marion TOR 0.455
116 C.J. Watson GSW 0.453
117 Kirk Hinrich CHI 0.453
118 Aaron Brooks HOU 0.453
119 Eddie House BOS 0.451
120 Kelenna Azubuike GSW 0.449

121 Ronnie Brewer UTA 0.448
122 Gerald Wallace CHA 0.446
123 Brook Lopez NJN 0.446
124 Eric Gordon LAC 0.445
125 Ron Artest HOU 0.445
126 Keyon Dooling NJN 0.443
127 Beno Udrih SAC 0.442
128 Mike Conley MEM 0.441
129 Lamar Odom LAL 0.441
130 Tayshaun Prince DET 0.439
131 Antonio Daniels NOH 0.439
132 Jarrett Jack IND 0.436
133 Drew Gooden CHI 0.436
134 Rafer Alston HOU 0.435
135 Andrei Kirilenko UTA 0.435
136 Von Wafer HOU 0.433
137 Andrew Bogut MIL 0.432
138 Jermaine O'Neal MIA 0.432
139 Renaldo Balkman DEN 0.432
140 Grant Hill PHO 0.430
141 Brandon Bass DAL 0.430
142 O.J. Mayo MEM 0.428
143 Greg Oden POR 0.427
144 Rudy Fernandez POR 0.427
145 Antonio McDyess DET 0.426
146 Hakim Warrick MEM 0.426
147 Anthony Randolph GSW 0.426
148 Ronald Murray ATL 0.425
149 Tyronn Lue MIL 0.425
150 Kyle Lowry MEM 0.424

151 Mike Miller MIN 0.424
152 Kosta Koufos UTA 0.422
153 Al Horford ATL 0.422
154 Luke Walton LAL 0.421
155 Darius Songaila WAS 0.420
156 Matt Bonner SAS 0.420
157 Thaddeus Young PHI 0.420
158 Sebastian Telfair MIN 0.418
159 Roko Ukic TOR 0.418
160 Joakim Noah CHI 0.416
161 C.J. Miles UTA 0.416
162 Delonte West CLE 0.415
163 Andray Blatche WAS 0.415
164 Steve Novak LAC 0.414
165 Derek Fisher LAL 0.414
166 Joe Smith CLE 0.413
167 Marcus Camby LAC 0.412
168 Nick Young WAS 0.411
169 James Singleton DAL 0.410
170 Marc Gasol MEM 0.409
171 JaVale McGee WAS 0.409
172 Tim Thomas NYK 0.408
173 Josh Smith ATL 0.408
174 Mario Chalmers MIA 0.408
175 Andrea Bargnani TOR 0.407
176 Larry Hughes CHI 0.407
177 Marvin Williams ATL 0.406
178 Nick Collison OKC 0.406
179 Trevor Ariza LAL 0.406
180 Emeka Okafor CHA 0.406

181 Luol Deng CHI 0.405
182 Marco Belinelli GSW 0.404
183 Francisco Garcia SAC 0.403
184 Danilo Gallinari NYK 0.403
185 Earl Watson OKC 0.403
186 Jared Dudley PHO 0.402
187 Marquis Daniels IND 0.402
188 Jermaine O'Neal TOR 0.401
189 Rudy Gay MEM 0.401
190 Marcin Gortat ORL 0.401
191 Andres Nocioni SAC 0.400
192 Jason Thompson SAC 0.399
193 Matt Barnes PHO 0.399
194 Ronny Turiaf GSW 0.398
195 Travis Outlaw POR 0.394
196 Sasha Vujacic LAL 0.394
197 Linas Kleiza DEN 0.394
198 Jeff Green OKC 0.393
199 Matt Harpring UTA 0.392
200 Boris Diaw PHO 0.392
201 Jason Maxiell DET 0.392
202 Chris Wilcox NYK 0.391
203 Willie Green PHI 0.391
204 Wilson Chandler NYK 0.390
205 Juwan Howard CHA 0.386
206 Chris Douglas-Roberts NJN 0.386
207 Anthony Carter DEN 0.385
208 Joe Smith OKC 0.385
209 Shawn Marion MIA 0.385
210 Acie Law ATL 0.384

211 Bobby Jackson SAC 0.383
212 Nenad Krstic OKC 0.381
213 Erick Dampier DAL 0.381
214 Al Thornton LAC 0.379
215 Jeff Foster IND 0.379
216 Chris Wilcox OKC 0.379
217 Ryan Gomes MIN 0.377
218 Kyle Korver UTA 0.375
219 Anthony Parker TOR 0.374
220 Roger Mason SAS 0.373
221 Larry Hughes NYK 0.370
222 Spencer Hawes SAC 0.370
223 Raja Bell CHA 0.370
224 Goran Dragic PHO 0.367
225 Joey Graham TOR 0.366
226 Chris Kaman LAC 0.366
227 Quentin Richardson NYK 0.365
228 Gerald Green DAL 0.365
229 Rob Kurz GSW 0.365
230 Anthony Johnson ORL 0.364
231 Kevin Ollie MIN 0.364
232 Aaron Gray CHI 0.360
233 Zaza Pachulia ATL 0.359
234 Ryan Anderson NJN 0.359
235 Chris Andersen DEN 0.358
236 Kurt Thomas SAS 0.357
237 George Hill SAS 0.356
238 Mike James WAS 0.355
239 Elton Brand PHI 0.354
240 Kenyon Martin DEN 0.354

241 Mike Taylor LAC 0.354
242 Bobby Simmons NJN 0.353
243 Fabricio Oberto SAS 0.353
244 Corey Brewer MIN 0.353
245 Bobby Brown SAC 0.353
246 Udonis Haslem MIA 0.352
247 Fred Jones LAC 0.349
248 Wally Szczerbiak CLE 0.349
249 Shannon Brown CHA 0.349
250 Keith Bogans MIL 0.347
251 Peja Stojakovic NOH 0.346
252 Mardy Collins LAC 0.346
253 Luther Head HOU 0.346
254 Rasheed Wallace DET 0.346
255 Andres Nocioni CHI 0.345
256 Tyrus Thomas CHI 0.345
257 Charlie Bell MIL 0.345
258 Brevin Knight UTA 0.343
259 Javaris Crittenton WAS 0.340
260 Mikki Moore BOS 0.340
261 Jordan Farmar LAL 0.340
262 Mickael Pietrus ORL 0.338
263 Nicolas Batum POR 0.338
264 Paul Davis LAC 0.337
265 Amir Johnson DET 0.337
266 Anderson Varejao CLE 0.336
267 Jamario Moon TOR 0.335
268 Jason Kapono TOR 0.334
269 Dan Gadzuric MIL 0.333
270 Louis Amundson PHO 0.330

271 Walter Herrmann DET 0.329
272 Daniel Gibson CLE 0.329
273 Juan Dixon WAS 0.328
274 Glen Davis BOS 0.328
275 Michael Finley SAS 0.327
276 Darko Milicic MEM 0.326
277 Josh Powell LAL 0.324
278 Maurice Evans ATL 0.324
279 Tony Allen BOS 0.322
280 Josh Boone NJN 0.319
281 Tony Battie ORL 0.319
282 Solomon Jones ATL 0.318
283 Rodney Carney MIN 0.318
284 Joe Alexander MIL 0.318
285 Rasual Butler NOH 0.317
286 Daequan Cook MIA 0.314
287 Luc Mbah a Moute MIL 0.313
288 Tyson Chandler NOH 0.310
289 Cuttino Mobley LAC 0.309
290 Channing Frye POR 0.308
291 Thabo Sefolosha CHI 0.307
292 Jarvis Hayes NJN 0.306
293 Courtney Lee ORL 0.306
294 Vladimir Radmanovic LAL 0.305
295 Kendrick Perkins BOS 0.305
296 Jared Dudley CHA 0.304
297 Stephen Graham IND 0.303
298 Vladimir Radmanovic CHA 0.303
299 Morris Peterson NOH 0.303
300 Ronnie Price UTA 0.302

301 Robert Swift OKC 0.300
302 Robin Lopez PHO 0.300
303 Malik Allen MIL 0.299
304 Julian Wright NOH 0.299
305 J.J. Redick ORL 0.298
306 Malik Rose OKC 0.294
307 Darrell Arthur MEM 0.294
308 Jerryd Bayless POR 0.293
309 Thabo Sefolosha OKC 0.293
310 Dahntay Jones DEN 0.293
311 Yi Jianlian NJN 0.292
312 Joel Przybilla POR 0.291
313 Jared Jeffries NYK 0.291
314 Raja Bell PHO 0.286
315 Rashad McCants MIN 0.286
316 J.J. Hickson CLE 0.284
317 Ricky Davis LAC 0.283
318 Sasha Pavlovic CLE 0.279
319 Kyle Weaver OKC 0.277
320 Jamario Moon MIA 0.277
321 Shane Battier HOU 0.276
322 Dominic McGuire WAS 0.275
323 Jamaal Magloire MIA 0.273
324 Devin Brown NOH 0.273
325 Brent Barry HOU 0.272
326 DeAndre Jordan LAC 0.271
327 Antoine Wright DAL 0.271
328 Hilton Armstrong NOH 0.270
329 James Posey NOH 0.268
330 Shelden Williams SAC 0.267

331 Brandon Rush IND 0.266
332 Arron Afflalo DET 0.266
333 Francisco Elson MIL 0.266
334 Mikki Moore SAC 0.263
335 Damien Wilkins OKC 0.258
336 Brian Scalabrine BOS 0.256
337 Jason Hart LAC 0.254
338 Kwame Brown DET 0.253
339 Gabe Pruitt BOS 0.252
340 Brian Skinner LAC 0.251
341 Samuel Dalembert PHI 0.251
342 Brian Cardinal MIN 0.250
343 Stephon Marbury BOS 0.247
344 DeShawn Stevenson WAS 0.246
345 Johan Petro OKC 0.243
346 Ime Udoka SAS 0.240
347 James Jones MIA 0.238
348 Adam Morrison CHA 0.238
349 Etan Thomas WAS 0.233
350 DeSagana Diop CHA 0.229
351 Sean Marks NOH 0.226
352 Marko Jaric MEM 0.226
353 Darnell Jackson CLE 0.225
354 Trenton Hassell NJN 0.224
355 Melvin Ely NOH 0.224
356 Nazr Mohammed CHA 0.221
357 Eduardo Najera NJN 0.218
358 Reggie Evans PHI 0.217
359 Royal Ivey PHI 0.217
360 Keith Bogans ORL 0.216

361 Yakhouba Diawara MIA 0.215
362 Sean Williams NJN 0.215
363 Ben Wallace CLE 0.214
364 Desmond Mason OKC 0.207
365 Theo Ratliff PHI 0.205
366 Matt Carroll CHA 0.204
367 Quinton Ross MEM 0.203
368 Greg Buckner MEM 0.193
369 Chuck Hayes HOU 0.188
370 Joel Anthony MIA 0.183
371 DeSagana Diop DAL 0.180
372 Devean George DAL 0.178
373 Sean May CHA 0.177
374 Donte Greene SAC 0.166
375 Bruce Bowen SAS 0.138
376 Jason Collins MIN 0.112

The User Guide for Real Player Ratings, and for the Defensive Adjustments, is here. You must consult the User Guide in order to fully understand the ratings and the value of them, and to undertand how to make the best use of them.

A COUPLE OF QUICK NOTES (A tiny sample of User Guide content)
1. The average defensive sub rating of the 376 NBA plyaers who played at least 300 minutes in 2008-09 is .406.
2. The very best guards in basketball are ones who, although they are not afraid to drive to the hoop from time to time, are able to make outside shots at a good rate. Also, guards in general, and especially point guards, are usually primarily responsible for making assists. These two are among the several reasons why the better guards in pro basketball will have the highest offensive sub ratings in the League. For more, see the User Guide, especially the section near the end of it titled "THE BEST GUARDS WILL HAVE THE HIGHEST OFFENSIVE SUB RATINGS".


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