Return of Nuggets 1: Forum Comments From Early April 2008

Forum commentary I did from March 2008 through July 2008, when I didn't have enough time for the detailed and extensive reports I like to do, is being posted in early October, 2008. The primary themes are how the Nuggets are blowing a great (and expensive!) opportunity to play the game of basketball in such a way that respects the sport and that takes as much advantage as possible of who they have on the roster. The 2006-09 Nuggets have turned out to be an excellent case study of how not to run a basketball team; many things you should not do if you are a basketball manager or coach can be identified from what the Nuggets actually did during these years.

In these comments, do not look for the usual huge amount of detail and proof that you see in the ordinary releases here at Nuggets 1. Some of this is more like everyday conversation than like top quality sports writing. On the other hand, some of the comments do include some detailed reasoning and proof that I pride myself on in the primary reports I release.
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EARLY APRIL 2008 FORUM COMMENTARY ON THE NUGGETS, ESPECIALLY ABOUT THEIR MISTAKES

Soooh, did anything happen important while I had to take time out to work on a big project? Let me check ESPN.....

Even I would not have dared to predict that this team would crash and burn like this.
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How or why would he or should he have changed his game if he was told to do exactly what he did in Philly, playing exactly the same position?
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Hey, show some respect to Jefferson and McCants, the Wolves are going to be hard to beat for 4th. (A joke.)
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This game shows you why it is stupid to have J.R. Smith come off the bench and then be depending on him in the 4th quarter as if he is Manu Ginobili. Some nights, JR doesn't have it, and there isn't anything you can do about it, but take him out of the game. But it you didn't start him, you find out too late that he isn't going to hit his shots. You find out in the 4th quarter that he isn't going to hit his shots, and you are totally screwed at that point.

To me, the inconsistency and the huge upside potential of J.R. Smith make starting him the clearly correct strategy, and then you can take him out of the game at about halftime if he is missing everything. I guess that's too logical for Karl to consider.
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Yes, the close to zero defending potential of the midget backcourt has been exposed.
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Soooh, Nuggets coaches, in general, how is AI playing both guard positions at once, because he doesn't even begin to respect Carter's PG skills anymore, working out for ya? Are you getting the payoff you thought you would get by treating AI as if he can do almost everything needed from the backcourt all at once? Or, to put it another way, how is the Carter is a starting PG fantasy going?

I am afraid that this board of internet basketball fans/posters has proven to be smarter than the Nuggets coaches were on the subject of the backcourt. Here, eventually there was huge agreement that the best starting backcourt for the Nuggets was Iverson PG and Smith SG.

That was this year's biggest test, whether fans on here would get that or not. They did get it, so the test was passed. Karl failed, flunked, bombed out, however you want to put it.
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Too reliant on scoring is a very close cousin of too reliant on Iverson, and the Nuggets were both this year.

Laugh out loud at Iverson playing 56 out of 58 minutes in this game. I didn't see the game, but I just checked the play by play, and I see that in the second overtime and to some extent earlier, Iverson was out of gas and could not hit a shot, even a free throw.
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If this game is a loss, you can already see the likely root cause: only 8 Nuggets are going to play whereas 10 Jazz are playing. The Nuggets have two key defensive players sitting on the bench who they refuse to play: Nene and Yakhouba Diawara. Meanwhile, Sloan and company are playing an effective mixture of offensive and defensive players.

So at the same time you have bias for or against individual players, you also have an overestimation of the differences between starting and non-starting players in general, to the point where the Nuggets voluntarily play shorthanded in a game like this. Are Nene and Yak really that inferior to Camby and Martin to the point where they should not play at all? I highly doubt it.

I have hard proof by the way that Karl is just about the stingiest coach in the NBA toward non-starters that I will post in the near future.
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The only time Nuggets non-starters get real respect is when garbage time arrives. And there has been waaay too much garbage time with the Nuggets on the short end of the score this year.
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With the Nuggets no longer playing good defense, it is going to be very difficult for them to beat Houston, although it will be close since the game is in Denver.

The repeated Nene outs have been a killer, because having a defense anchored by Martin and Camby leaves too much undefended paint space too often. It was amazing how many times Jazz players raced through the paint for undefended layups.

Return of Nuggets 1: Forum Comments From Late March 2008, Part 3

Forum commentary I did from March 2008 through July 2008, when I didn't have time to do the detailed and extensive reports that I like to do, is being posted in early October, 2008. The primary themes are how the Nuggets are blowing a great (and expensive!) opportunity to play the game of basketball in such a way that respects the sport and that takes as much advantage as possible of who they have on the roster. The 2006-09 Nuggets have turned out to be an excellent case study of how not to run a basketball team; many things you should not do if you are a basketball manager or coach can be identified from what the Nuggets actually did during these years.

In these comments, do not look for the usual huge amount of detail and proof that you see in the ordinary releases here at Nuggets 1. Some of this is more like everyday conversation than like top quality sports writing. On the other hand, some of the comments do include some detailed reasoning and proof that I pride myself on in the primary reports I release.
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LATE MARCH 2008 FORUM COMMENTARY ON THE NUGGETS, ESPECIALLY ABOUT THEIR MISTAKES

So the team that was expected to win the Northwest and finish with the 3rd-6th seed by most predictors is now going to finish a 2-3 road trip while they are in the 9th seed?

The underachievers underachieve some more. Has this team changed anything at all since November to change this? Anything?

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Is this really a game for lottery positioning, where the loser is better off?

I know, that's too sarcastic, but losing to the Grizzlies makes you that way.

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Thanks for all the votes and all the comments, I continue to think this is huge for the Nuggets. I have to go back to those AI/Yak November games and take a close look at those; I forgot about those.

After 1 1/2 days of voting around the internet, the total vote, counting the two posters just above who voted by posting, is:

29 Votes for A) Anthony Carter PG and Allen Iverson SG
51 Votes for B) Allen Iverson PG and J.R. Smith SG
10 Votes for C) Allen Iverson PG and Yakhouba Diawara SG

I want at least 300 votes, but am not sure I'm going to get much past 250 though. As of now, I am going to keep counting until I get at least 250 votes, or until the end of April, whichever comes last.

Anyone who hasn't voted, please vote if you know enough about the subject.

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26-12 Blazers over Warriors.

Nuggets are most likely back in the playoffs, due to victories on the road over Toronto and Memphis in a back to back game. This win was less impressive, because what are the Mavericks without Nowitzki???

Still have to use this year's Pepsi Center magic to beat the Warriors this Saturday night, because if Nowitzki comes back soon, the Mavericks might start winning again.

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Monta Ellis for the Warriors is great. J.R. Smith for the Nuggets is greater.

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There's Smith in fantasyland again.

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Thanks for all the votes and all the comments, I continue to think this is huge for the Nuggets.

Anyone who hasn't voted, please vote if you know enough about the subject.

After almost 4 1/2 days of voting around the internet, the total vote, counting the two posters just above who voted by posting, is:

38 Votes or 33% for A) Anthony Carter PG and Allen Iverson SG
66 Votes or 57% for B) Allen Iverson PG and J.R. Smith SG
11 Votes or 10% for C) Allen Iverson PG and Yakhouba Diawara SG

I want at least 300 votes, but am not sure I'm going to get much past 250 though. As of now, I am going to keep counting until I get at least 250 votes, or until the end of April, whichever comes last. (Even though I go to all the forums, my vote counted as 1 vote only.)

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Karl was a total and complete jack-ass in this game, pure and simple. Carter did almost nothing out there in 31 minutes. What exactly is Carter's role now that Iverson is running the point more than Carter does in every game? Is the man blind? Is the whole coaching staff blind? They might as well be. Is Carter's role simply to make sure the Nuggets lose? I can't see any other possibility.

Karl is going to take the Nuggets down with his AC obsession, because he's not even trying to get Atkins ready anymore. It's a joke, but it's a damn shame too.

Nene was outstanding but played only 5 minutes, wtf? It was just total gross mismanagement of the Nuggets, pure and simple, and a disgrace to the sport actually. Why didn't the Nuggets just forfeit?

To say that Karl doesn't know what he is doing would be an understatement. No respectable coach with a team like the Nuggets loses a game by 13 points that he is leading by 19 points at the half. None whatsoever.

Return of Nuggets 1: Forum Comments From Late March 2008, Part 2

Forum commentary I did from March 2008 through July 2008, when I didn't have time to do the detailed and extensive reports I like to do, is being posted in early October, 2008. The primary themes are how the Nuggets are blowing a great (and expensive!) opportunity to play the game of basketball in such a way that respects the sport and that takes as much advantage as possible of who they have on the roster. The 2006-09 Nuggets have turned out to be an excellent case study of how not to run a basketball team; many things you should not do if you are a basketball manager or coach can be identified from what the Nuggets actually did during these years.

In these comments, do not look for the usual huge amount of detail and proof that you see in the ordinary releases here at Nuggets 1. Some of this is more like everyday conversation than like top quality sports writing. On the other hand, some of the comments do include some detailed reasoning and proof that I pride myself on in the primary reports I release.
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LATE MARCH 2008 FORUM COMMENTARY ABOUT THE NUGGETS, ESPECIALLY ABOUT THEIR MISTAKES

You want a staff that is smart and tough, but that never forgets that sports is just a game and that if your penalties are too big, you've just defeated the purpose of being smart and tough. The amount of time that players are benched after they have messed up should be measured in minutes or quarters, not in games.

I hope the next staff never tries to measure individual players or the team as a whole on psychological or morality scales. Saying that J.R. Smith has an immature personality is kind of obvious, and doesn't help to win a basketball game. Do you think, for ezample, that Don Nelson gives much of a damn whether his player's personalities are competitive with the personalities found on other teams? He probably literally could not care less.

These things may be important in the real world but, like it or not, these things are not very important in sports. We need a coaching staff that is almost all basketball all the time so to speak.

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The Nuggets had the guard positions reversed from the usual pattern. In the great majority of well run offenses, the point guard dominates the shooting guard in assisting. For the Pistons, the SG Hamilton made only 3 assists in this game, an almost insignificant number compared to Billups and Stuckey, who are both point guards. So Hamilton, along with both forwards and the center, were concentrating on scoring most of the time, and went for only obvious assists. Meanwhile, the Nuggets failed to win the game with their opposite approach. They had their shooting guard, Allen Iverson, make far more assists than their point guard, Anthony Carter, did. Carter is not an aggressive scorer, although he is a more efficient scorer this season than expected. But since you can’t possibly get the quantity of scoring you need to win a game from Carter, the Nuggets were, as usual, relying on Iverson for scoring too.

To make this even clearer, while the Pistons were relying on Richard Hamilton for scoring and on mostly Chauncey Billups for playmaking, the Nuggets were relying mostly on Allen Iverson for scoring and on mostly Allen Iverson for playmaking. Even someone in high school can probably understand that the team that relies on two specialized players to get two jobs done has the better chance of winning over a team that relies on just one player to get the two jobs done. Although Iverson/Carter made 15 assists while Billups/Hamilton made 13, Iverson/Carter scored 25 points while Billups/Hamilton scored 38. So the Billups/Hamilton combination was better than the Iverson/Carter combination. Had the Iverson/J.R. Smith combination been the relevant comparison, the game could have turned out differently.

The bottom line is that the Pistons out managed the Nuggets at their own type of game. They made more total assists, they had a slightly better playmaking identity, and they had the guards set up in the way that is most commonly successful, whereas the Nuggets were using the more unusual and generally less successful shooting guard as playmaker approach.

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Plan A: Get a new coaching staff for 2008-09.
Plan B: Make the owner and front office look so bad by not getting a new coaching staff for 2008-09 that they are forced to get a new coaching staff for 2009-10.

Plan A is so much better. One problem with Plan B is that the Nuggets might not be worth quality coaching by then.

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Is Atkins going to play or not and if not why not? He had about 4 great games and then he disappeared from the rotation.

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Great game, Nuggets. I admit I post more when the Nuggets lose, but this proves I post when the Nuggets win too.

But where the hell was Atkins??? Did he get smashed in NYC last night?

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I may not have enough time to fully monitor this thread, so I might not be around right away when someone comes up with some bizarre reason why the evidence is faulty.

http://www.nba.com/statistics/lenovo/len....=9&team=Nuggets

Starting from the top, you can look for the first combination you find which is two guards. The first one, sure enoiugh, is the Allen Iverson / J.R. Smith combination. There have been 1,671 points scored and 1,535 points given up with this lineup on the court. So the +/- is +136.

Near the bottom of this first page of 2-player combinations, you come to the Anthony Carter / Allen Iverson combination. While those two players have been on the court, the Nuggets have scored 3,180 points and given up 3,148 points, so the +/- is +32.

Now look at the per time plus minuses. The Allen Iverson / J.R. Smith combination, for every minute it is on the court, has on average given the Nuggets an advantage of .159 points. So for every 10 minutes, the Nuggets have outscored their opponents by 1.59 points with the Iverson / Smith combination. For every 30 minutes, the Nuggets outscore their opponents by 4.77 points with the Iverson / Smith combination.

For the Anthony Carter / Allen Iverson combination, for every minute it is on the court the Nuggets outscore their opponents by .022. So for every 10 minutes, the Nuggets have outscored their opponents by 0.22 points with the Carter / Iverson combination. For every 30 minutes, the Nuggets outscore their opponents by 0.66 points with the Carter / Iverson combination, about 2/3 of a point.

The bottom line is that for every 30 minutes, the Nuggets have the following fates, on average:

Allen Iverson / J.R. Smith in the backcourt 30 minutes: Denver outscores it's opponent by 4.77 points.
Anthony Carter / Allen Iverson in the backcourt 30 minutes: Denver outscores it's opponents by 0.66 points.

The Iverson / Smith combination gives the Nuggets a little more than 4 more points of advantage over the opponents than does the Carter / Iverson combination. The Carter / Iverson combination gives the Nuggets only a very weak advantage, on average, over opponents.

So you obviously want a lot more minutes of the Iverson / Smith combination, and a lot fewer minutes of the Carter / Iverson combination. Let's check to see how many minutes have actually been given to these combinations:

Iverson / Smith: 800 minutes
Carter / Iverson: 1414 minutes

Ouch, it's roughly backwards from what it's supposed to be.

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Ai, K-Mart, JR, Melo get it done in one of the best games of the year.

Now the Lakers beating the Warriors tonight would be great.

Warriors at Nuggets this weekend for the 8th seed.

I want to see the Nuggets bounced in the 1st round rather than not be in the playoffs at all, because I don't think GK is going to retire either way. So let them get in and be bounced by the Lakers!

Go Nuggets!

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The Mavs are in deep now. I don't see how the Mavs can possibly win in Denver this week.

Return of Nuggets 1: Forum Comments From Late March 2008, Part 1

Forum commentary I did from March 2008 through July 2008, when I didn't have time to do the detailed and extensive reports I like to do, is being posted in early October, 2008. The primary themes are how the Nuggets are blowing a great (and expensive!) opportunity to play the game of basketball in such a way that respects the sport and that takes as much advantage as possible of who they have on the roster. The 2006-09 Nuggets have turned out to be an excellent case study of how not to run a basketball team; many things you should not do if you are a basketball manager or coach can be identified from what the Nuggets actually did during these years.

In these comments, do not look for the usual huge amount of detail and proof that you see in the ordinary releases here at Nuggets 1. Some of this is more like everyday conversation than like top quality sports writing. On the other hand, some of the comments do include some detailed reasoning and proof that I pride myself on in the primary reports I release.
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LATE MARCH 2008 FORUM COMMENTARY ON THE NUGGETS, ESPECIALLY ABOUT THEIR MISTAKES

The JR Smith reputation roller coaster, like the offense as a whole, has been incomprehensible.

Now you decide that JR might be kind of important for the stretch run? in the middle of March, when you are in 9th place in the West? After treating him as if he was worthless for most of the season? Now you decide he may not be all bad? You think?

Up to the present time, jR got both more development and a better shake from Byron Scott and the Hornets. At least they made logical arguments, and at least they matched their actions to their arguments. Specifically, when they decided they could not handle JR starting, they made sure JR got to go to another team where he could start in the right cicumstances. They didn't go on this half-baked 15 minutes a game and periodic total benching run around.

Ironically, the right circumstances for JR to start exist in Denver, but reality is twisted around to deny it. The bottom line is that, given the choice between starting JR Smith and missing the playoffs, I know for a fact that this coaching staff would choose missing the playoffs.

Therefore, it's time for Denver to be as honest and logical as New Orleans was, and to make sure that Smith goes to another team.
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I am afraid that the Nuggets are going to win enough games in total, that getting Karl to retire is not going to happen, even if the Nuggets miss the playoffs, unless the owner is more determined about seeing his franchise get to the top of the West than I think he is.

The Nuggets are like the cast in "LOST," they can't get out of the situation they are stuck in, and that includes being stuck with Karl and his assistants for 2008-09. They win enough to be considered good, but they can't win against the best teams, even though they are among the best teams if the truth were told.

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Ever since Stern started his hire the blind program some of the games have sucked.

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Well, the defense has become just as inconsistent as the offense is now, so we are really up Sh*$s Creek now.

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That's why we are watching history here. It will probably be about 100 years before another team fails to make the playoffs with this much talent. Even GK will get the Nuggets in the playoffs next year. I think. Maybe, anyway.

Atkins played only 6 minutes after the games he has had lately. Please tell me that's a typo.
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What is happening to this franchise should be against the law.

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Total truth; you just explained several of the reasons why this franchise is in deeper trouble than most people realize.

It's sad, but if Karl can retire or go to another team after this season is over, recovery and moving forward again is possible. Sports is too demanding for Karl at this point; he's not ferocious enough anymore. He was alright for the Sonics back in the day, but it seems like he makes a wrong decision for every correct 3 decisions he makes, a percentage of 75%. We need someone who gets at least 90% of the decisioins correct.

And true, occasionally a decision I claim is wrong may actually be right, I'm not perfect, but too many people see too many mistakes. Everyone and his uncle is complaining about various decisions made by this staff. The whole staff is at fault, not just Karl.

Even David Friedman, a mega basketball writer who almost never criticises a coach, has now made a thumbs down on this.

Thank you for this post.

Real Player Ratings: How the Best 330 NBA Players Ranked in 2007-08

We start by taking the top 390 players, out of about 450 players who played in the NBA in 2007-08, ranked according to gross or simple player rating, which is as follows:

ADD THE FOLLOWING
Points
Rebounds
1.4 X Assists
Steals
1.4 X Blocks
Field Goals Made
0.5 X # of 3-Pointers Made
0.25 X # of Free Throws Made

SUBTRACT THE FOLLOWING
0.7 X Turnovers
0.8 X # of Missed Field Goals
0.8 X # of Missed Free Throws

Real Player Rating, the holy grail of player ratings, is then gross or simple player rating divided by minutes per game. This gives you the actual production per minute of each player, so you can now directly compare players with very different playing times. By discovering players who have high ratings, but low minutes, you can spot players who were underrated by their coaches. Among younger players, you can spot the promising ones and the ones who need more time to develop into full NBA players, time that in some cases may not be available, meaning that the player will end up playing in Europe or something.

Then we eliminate any player who did not play in at least 16 games.

Then we eliminate any player who did not play at least 7 minutes per game in the games he played in.

Finally, we lop off the players with the lowest real player ratings from the bottom (36 players in this case) and take the top 330 NBA players to form the official Real Player Ratings list. The average team in the NBA will have 11 players from this list.

If a player does not appear on the list, then one or more of the following is true:

1. The player was not among the top 390 out of 450 players for gross or simple real player rating.
2. His real player rating is very low, less than .536.
3. He played in fewer than 16 games.
4. His minutes per game were less than 7. In many cases, this would be a player who played mostly or only in garbage time.
5. The player is one of the best made you miss type of defenders in the NBA, but has very little offensive game. Since scores that a defender prevents is an unknown quantity, it is not accounted for by the Real Player Rating, and so it is possible for a player not to make the top 330 list despite being a valuable asset, albeit mostly on defense only. Bruce Bowen, the San Antonio small forward, is the most obvious example. His real player rating is only .370, yet he played over 30 minutes a game due to all the scores of the Spurs’ opponents he stops.

ADJUSTMENTS FOR MADE THEM MISS DEFENDING
Since shots that a defender stops from going in the basket, with no actual block, can not be known and are not kept track of, the Real Player Rating is not exactly perfect. But if you are very knowledgeable about the skills and efforts of players with respect to preventing scores, you can make your own adjustments based on your knowledge.

In order to improve my coverage of the Denver Nuggets, I introduced in 2008 “adjustments for defending” to the Nuggets real player ratings. Although neither I nor anyone knows anywhere near exactly how many scores were prevented by the various Nuggets, since I was very familiar with the players and what they can and do accomplish on the court, I was able to rank the Nuggets with respect to made you miss defending.

I decided that I would then assign an adjustment for made them miss defending to the real player ratings of each Nugget, in equal increments. Furthermore, I decided that the top half of the list of Nuggets according to made them miss defending would get positive adjustments, while the bottom half would get negative adjustments.

The next step was to estimate how much the adjustments should be. After giving it my best thought, I decided that a +.130 adjustment would be the best estimate I can come up with for what the best made them miss defender the Nuggets have should get. So Kenyon Martins’s Real Player rating is .777, but his Real Player Rating adjusted for made them miss defending is .907.

The equal increment adjustments were symmetric as to zero, so the best made them miss defender, as just discussed, received a +.130 adjustment, while the worst made them miss defender received a -.130 adjustment. Notice that this means that the best made them miss defender is a full .260 better than the worst made them miss defender, than the basic Real Player Ratings indicate. Since the Real Player Ratings of the entire list of 330 players range from .536 to 1.268, a range of .732, the .260 range for made them miss defending is, it seems clear to me, an adequate but not excessive correction of the fact that no one actually knows how many shots various players prevented from going in.

So what you do, if you think you know about how good a player is in made them miss defending compared with other players, is to adjust that player’s Real Player Rating up or down, by as much as .130 up if the player is among the very best made them miss defenders among the 330 players rated, and by as much as .130 down if the player is among the very worst.

Specifically, you estimate how the player would rank among the 330 players who are in the Real Player Ratings rankings, and then adjust that player’s rating according to the following guideline:.

Top 12: +.130
13-24: +.120
25-36: +.110
37-48: +.100
49-60: +.090
61-72: +.080
73-84: +.070
85-96: +.060
97-108: +.050
109-120: +.040
121-132: +.030
133-144: +.020
145-156: +.010
157-174: 0
175-186: -.010
187-198: -.020
199-210: -.030
211-222: -.040
223-234: -.050
235-246: -.060
247-258: -.070
259-270: -.080
271-282: -.090
283-294: -.100
295-306: -.110
307-318: -.120
319-330: -.130

As another Nuggets example, and maybe I got carried away slightly with the hysteria regarding Carmelo Anthony’s defending, but I estimated Anthony would be ranked in the 259-270 range among the 330 players if all these players were ranked according to made them miss defending. So Anthony’s Real Player Rating, which is 1.091, becomes 1.011, when it is adjusted for made them miss defending.

Remember that you can adjust only players you know very well as to their defending; it is most likely beyond anyone's capabilities to even approximately rank all 330 players, so there can be no full "Real Player Ratings Adjusted for Made Them Miss Defending". No one that I have found has attempted to do this anywhere on the internet! However, as I did with the Nuggets, I believe that you can calculate the adjusted ratings for a team, if you know the players on that team very well.

SCALE FOR REAL PLAYER RATINGS
All Time Historic Superstar Player 1.175 to Up
Superstar Player 1.050 to 1.174
Star Player 0.925 to 1.049
Outstanding Player 0.825 to 0.924
Major Role Player 0.750 to 0.824
Role Player 0.675 to 0.749
Minor Role Player 0.600 to 0.674
Reserve Only Player 0.525 to 0.599
Marginal or Struggling Player 0.450 to 0.524
Bust Players (or Defense Only!) Lower to 0.449

2007-08 NBA REAL PLAYER RATINGS
Counting every regular season on the court production except for made them miss defending, as discussed.

1 Amare Stoudemire, Pho C 1.268
2 LeBron James, Cle SF 1.255
3 Chris Paul, NO PG 1.186
4 Kobe Bryant, LAL SG 1.149
5 Kevin Garnett, Bos PF 1.134
6 Dirk Nowitzki, Dal PF 1.108
7 Tim Duncan, SA C 1.106
8 Carlos Boozer, Uta PF 1.103
9 Carmelo Anthony, Den SF 1.091
10 Steve Nash, Pho PG 1.079
11 Andrew Bynum, LAL C 1.063
12 Yao Ming, Hou C 1.059
13 Manu Ginobili, SA SG 1.055
14 Dwight Howard, Orl C 1.053
15 Al Jefferson, Min C 1.045
16 Chris Bosh, Tor PF 1.036
17 Dwyane Wade, Mia SG 1.024
18 Deron Williams, Uta PG 1.016
19 Pau Gasol, LAL PF 0.994
20 Baron Davis, GS PG 0.990
21 T.J. Ford, Ind PG 0.987
22 Allen Iverson, Den SG 0.978
23 Chauncey Billups, Det PG 0.963
24 Josh Smith, Atl PF 0.946
25 Zach Randolph, NY PF 0.942
26 David West, NO PF 0.939
27 J.R. Smith, Den SG 0.938
28 Tracy McGrady, Hou SG 0.924
29 Leon Powe, Bos PF 0.924
30 Vince Carter, NJ SG 0.923
31 Andris Biedrins, GS C 0.923
32 Chris Kaman, LAC C 0.922
33 Tony Parker, SA PG 0.919
34 Paul Pierce, Bos SF 0.919
35 Caron Butler, Was SF 0.917
36 Shaquille O'Neal, Pho C 0.916
37 Marcus Camby, Den C 0.914
38 Jose Calderon, Tor PG 0.914
39 Shawn Marion, Mia PF 0.910
40 Kevin Martin, Sac SG 0.909
41 Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Cle C 0.908
42 Antawn Jamison, Was PF 0.905
43 Carl Landry, Hou PF 0.905
44 Nick Fazekas, LAC PF 0.903
45 Hedo Turkoglu, Orl SF 0.900
46 Corey Maggette, GS SF 0.899
47 Ike Diogu, Por PF 0.893
48 Monta Ellis, GS SG 0.884
49 Jason Richardson, Cha SG 0.883
50 Jason Kidd, Dal PG 0.879
51 Ron Artest, Sac SF 0.879
52 Brandon Roy, Por SG 0.870
53 Mike Dunleavy, Ind SG 0.869
54 Danny Granger, Ind SF 0.869
55 Jermaine O'Neal, Tor C 0.868
56 Josh Howard, Dal SF 0.865
57 Michael Redd, Mil SG 0.864
58 Andrew Bogut, Mil C 0.860
59 LaMarcus Aldridge, Por PF 0.860
60 Andre Miller, Phi PG 0.858
61 Andre Iguodala, Phi SF 0.854
62 Rudy Gay, Mem SF 0.854
63 Brad Miller, Sac C 0.851
64 Joe Johnson, Atl SG 0.850
65 Emeka Okafor, Cha PF 0.849
66 Mo Williams, Mil PG 0.847
67 Lamar Odom, LAL PF 0.847
68 Troy Murphy, Ind PF 0.847
69 Devin Harris, NJ PG 0.839
70 Gerald Wallace, Cha SF 0.836
71 Ben Gordon, Chi SG 0.836
72 Richard Hamilton, Det SG 0.833
73 Chris Wilcox, Okc PF 0.833
74 Al Harrington, GS PF 0.833
75 Kevin Durant, Sea SF 0.832
76 Amir Johnson, Det PF 0.831
77 Luol Deng, Chi SF 0.828
78 Mike Miller, Min SG 0.825
79 Rasheed Wallace, Det PF 0.823
80 Richard Jefferson, Mil SF 0.823
81 Sam Cassell, Bos PG 0.823
82 Ramon Sessions, Mil PG 0.822
83 Brandan Wright, GS PF 0.818
84 Paul Millsap, Uta PF 0.812
85 Craig Smith, Min PF 0.811
86 Leandro Barbosa, Pho SG 0.810
87 Aaron Gray, Chi C 0.810
88 Charlie Villanueva, Mil PF 0.809
89 Nazr Mohammed, Cha C 0.806
90 David Lee, NY PF 0.804
91 Jameer Nelson, Orl PG 0.803
92 Mike Harris, Hou F 0.798
93 Andres Nocioni, Chi SF 0.793
94 Nick Collison, Okc PF 0.793
95 Rashad McCants, Min SG 0.793
96 Mehmet Okur, Uta C 0.792
97 Andrei Kirilenko, Uta SF 0.792
98 Earl Watson, Okc PG 0.791
99 Joe Smith, Cle PF 0.790
100 Andray Blatche, Was C 0.790
101 Luis Scola, Hou PF 0.789
102 Tyrus Thomas, Chi PF 0.788
103 Ronny Turiaf, LAL C 0.786
104 Jordan Farmar, LAL PG 0.786
105 Brendan Haywood, Was C 0.784
106 Jason Terry, Dal PG 0.784
107 Grant Hill, Pho SF 0.783
108 Stephen Jackson, GS SF 0.783
109 Kris Humphries, Tor C 0.782
110 Tyson Chandler, NO C 0.782
111 Jamaal Tinsley, Ind PG 0.781
112 Mike Bibby, Atl PG 0.780
113 Stromile Swift, NJ C 0.780
114 Rashard Lewis, Orl PF 0.779
115 Louis Williams, Phi PG 0.778
116 Kenyon Martin, Den PF 0.777
117 Steve Novak, Hou PF 0.776
118 Rasho Nesterovic, Ind C 0.775
119 Hakim Warrick, Mem PF 0.774
120 Travis Outlaw, Por SF 0.771
121 Nate Robinson, NY PG 0.770
122 Alonzo Mourning, Mia C 0.769
123 Jeff Foster, Ind C 0.767
124 Channing Frye, Por PF 0.767
125 Rajon Rondo, Bos PG 0.763
126 Linas Kleiza, Den SF 0.762
127 Jamal Crawford, NY SG 0.759
128 Ray Allen, Bos SG 0.758
129 Brandon Bass, Dal PF 0.756
130 Al Horford, Atl C 0.754
131 Sasha Vujacic, LAL SG 0.753
132 Francisco Garcia, Sac SF 0.751
133 Samuel Dalembert, Phi C 0.750
134 Shawne Williams, Ind SF 0.750
135 Matt Barnes, GS PF 0.746
136 Ronnie Brewer, Uta SG 0.745
137 Ronald Murray, Ind PG 0.745
138 Kurt Thomas, SA C 0.743
139 Drew Gooden, Chi PF 0.740
140 Bonzi Wells, NO SF 0.735
141 Matt Harpring, Uta SF 0.735
142 Kirk Hinrich, Chi PG 0.735
143 Ryan Gomes, Min SF 0.734
144 Eddy Curry, NY C 0.734
145 Joakim Noah, Chi C 0.734
146 Trevor Ariza, LAL SF 0.732
147 Austin Croshere, GS PF 0.731
148 Jason Maxiell, Det PF 0.730
149 C.J. Miles, Uta SG 0.730
150 Sean Williams, NJ C 0.726
151 Josh Childress, Atl SF 0.726
152 Aaron Brooks, Hou PG 0.725
153 Thaddeus Young, Phi SF 0.724
154 Nene Hilario, Den PF 0.723
155 Brent Barry, SA SG 0.721
156 Wally Szczerbiak, Cle SF 0.720
157 Raymond Felton, Cha PG 0.719
158 Erick Dampier, Dal C 0.713
159 Rodney Stuckey, Det SG 0.711
160 Spencer Hawes, Sac C 0.710
161 Beno Udrih, Sac PG 0.709
162 Tayshaun Prince, Det SF 0.708
163 Jamario Moon, Tor SF 0.705
164 Anthony Carter, Den PG 0.704
165 Josh Boone, NJ PF 0.704
166 Marcus Banks, Mia PG 0.703
167 Kyle Lowry, Mem PG 0.702
168 Rafer Alston, Hou PG 0.701
169 John Salmons, Sac SG 0.700
170 Andre Brown, Mem PF 0.698
171 Tim Thomas, LAC PF 0.698
172 Al Thornton, LAC SF 0.697
173 Marvin Williams, Atl SF 0.697
174 Julian Wright, NO SF 0.696
175 Peja Stojakovic, NO SF 0.694
176 Carlos Delfino, Tor SG 0.694
177 Antonio McDyess, Det C 0.693
178 Randy Foye, Min PG 0.693
179 Derek Fisher, LAL PG 0.693
180 Kelenna Azubuike, GS SG 0.692
181 Boris Diaw, Pho PF 0.691
182 Kendrick Perkins, Bos C 0.690
183 Juan Dixon, Det SG 0.690
184 Ronnie Price, Uta PG 0.688
185 Keyon Dooling, Orl PG 0.686
186 Bostjan Nachbar, NJ SF 0.685
187 Eddie House, Bos PG 0.684
188 Matt Bonner, SA PF 0.683
189 Bobby Jackson, Hou SG 0.682
190 Brian Skinner, Pho C 0.680
191 Mickael Pietrus, Orl SF 0.680
192 Jannero Pargo, NO PG 0.679
193 Marcus Williams, NJ PG 0.679
194 J.J. Redick, Orl SG 0.679
195 Dorell Wright, Mia SF 0.677
196 Willie Green, Phi SG 0.677
197 Jose Juan Barea, Dal PG 0.676
198 Carlos Arroyo, Orl PG 0.676
199 Anthony Parker, Tor SG 0.676
200 Jerry Stackhouse, Dal SG 0.675
201 Vladimir Radmanovic, LAL PF 0.675
202 Travis Diener, Ind PG 0.673
203 Delonte West, Cle SG 0.673
204 Luther Head, Hou SG 0.672
205 Kyle Korver, Uta SF 0.671
206 Luke Walton, LAL SF 0.671
207 Mike Conley, Mem PG 0.670
208 Luke Ridnour, Okc PG 0.670
209 Jarvis Hayes, Det SF 0.669
210 Dan Dickau, LAC PG 0.667
211 Stephon Marbury, NY PG 0.667
212 Nick Young, Was SG 0.662
213 Roger Mason, Was PG 0.662
214 Darko Milicic, Mem C 0.660
215 Marquis Daniels, Ind SG 0.660
216 Johan Petro, Okc C 0.659
217 Kirk Snyder, Min SG 0.659
218 Jarrett Jack, Ind SG 0.658
219 Walter Herrmann, Det SF 0.655
220 Dahntay Jones, Sac SG 0.655
221 Joey Graham, Tor SF 0.655
222 Joel Przybilla, Por C 0.653
223 Chris Quinn, Mia PG 0.652
224 Dikembe Mutombo, Hou C 0.652
225 Fabricio Oberto, SA PF 0.650
226 Thabo Sefolosha, Chi SG 0.649
227 Udonis Haslem, Mia PF 0.649
228 Andrea Bargnani, Tor PF 0.647
229 Shelden Williams, Sac C 0.645
230 Nenad Krstic, NJ PF 0.644
231 Wilson Chandler, NY SF 0.643
232 Larry Hughes, Chi SG 0.643
233 Maurice Evans, Orl SG 0.642
234 Gerald Green, Dal SF 0.642
235 Ricky Davis, Mia SF 0.640
236 Darius Songaila, Was PF 0.639
237 Antoine Walker, Mem PF 0.639
238 Zaza Pachulia, Atl C 0.638
239 Eduardo Najera, Den PF 0.636
240 Jermareo Davidson, Cha PF 0.635
241 Juan Carlos Navarro, Mem SG 0.633
242 Javaris Crittenton, Mem PG 0.632
243 Gordan Giricek, Pho SG 0.628
244 Jared Dudley, Cha SF 0.626
245 Yi Jianlian, NJ PF 0.624
246 Anderson Varejao, Cle C 0.624
247 Jason Williams, Mia PG 0.623
248 DJ Mbenga, LAL C 0.623
249 Tyronn Lue, Dal PG 0.622
250 Derek Anderson, Cha SG 0.621
251 Damien Wilkins, Okc SG 0.621
252 Salim Stoudamire, Atl SG 0.621
253 Awvee Storey, Mil SF 0.620
254 Theo Ratliff, Det C 0.617
255 Josh Powell, LAC PF 0.615
256 James Posey, Bos SF 0.614
257 Jake Voskuhl, Mil C 0.614
258 Mickael Gelabale, Okc SG 0.613
259 Jeff Green, Okc PF 0.612
260 Devin Brown, Cle SF 0.611
261 Marko Jaric, Mem PG 0.610
262 Dan Gadzuric, Mil C 0.610
263 Tony Allen, Bos SG 0.609
264 Desmond Mason, Mil SF 0.609
265 Mark Blount, Mia C 0.607
266 Glen Davis, Bos C 0.606
267 DeSagana Diop, Dal C 0.606
268 Kwame Brown, Mem C 0.606
269 Antonio Daniels, Was PG 0.605
270 Mikki Moore, Sac PF 0.605
271 Brian Cook, Orl PF 0.605
272 David Harrison, Ind C 0.605
273 Steve Blake, Por PG 0.605
274 Kareem Rush, Ind SG 0.604
275 Rodney Carney, Min SG 0.604
276 Chris Mihm, LAL C 0.603
277 Ime Udoka, SA SF 0.602
278 Melvin Ely, NO C 0.600
279 Anthony Johnson, Sac PG 0.599
280 Martell Webster, Por SF 0.599
281 Sebastian Telfair, Min PG 0.599
282 Ruben Patterson, LAC SF 0.599
283 Earl Barron, Mia C 0.598
284 Darius Washington, SA PG 0.598
285 Cuttino Mobley, LAC SG 0.597
286 DeShawn Stevenson, Was SG 0.596
287 Damon Stoudamire, SA PG 0.595
288 Jason Smith, Phi PF 0.593
289 Bobby Jones, Den SG 0.593
290 Brevin Knight, LAC PG 0.593
291 Malik Allen, Dal PF 0.593
292 Charlie Bell, Mil SG 0.588
293 Quincy Douby, Sac PG 0.588
294 Andre Owens, Ind PG 0.587
295 James Jones, Mia PF 0.586
296 Bobby Simmons, NJ SF 0.581
297 Sergio Rodriguez, Por PG 0.580
298 Chris Duhon, NY PG 0.580
299 P.J. Brown, Bos FC 0.578
300 Chuck Hayes, Hou PF 0.578
301 Aaron Williams, LAC C 0.576
302 Oleksiy Pecherov, Was PF 0.576
303 Chucky Atkins, Den PG 0.575
304 Michael Finley, SA SF 0.574
305 Malik Rose, NY PF 0.574
306 Ryan Hollins, Cha C 0.573
307 Daniel Gibson, Cle PG 0.570
308 Raja Bell, Pho SG 0.569
309 Reggie Evans, Phi PF 0.569
310 Renaldo Balkman, NY SF 0.568
311 Donyell Marshall, Okc PF 0.568
312 Adonal Foyle, Orl C 0.568
313 Paul Davis, LAC C 0.567
314 Jason Kapono, Tor SF 0.561
315 C.J. Watson, GS G 0.561
316 Earl Boykins, Cha PG 0.560
317 Matt Carroll, Cha SG 0.558
318 Shannon Brown, Chi SG 0.557
319 Stephane Lasme, Mia F 0.553
320 Fred Jones, NY SG 0.552
321 Dwayne Jones, Cle C 0.548
322 Ben Wallace, Cle C 0.547
323 Mike James, NO PG 0.541
324 Shane Battier, Hou SF 0.540
325 Keith Bogans, Orl SG 0.539
326 Daequan Cook, Mia SG 0.539
327 Jason Hart, Uta PG 0.538
328 Brian Cardinal, Min PF 0.538
329 Morris Peterson, NO SG 0.538
330 Michael Ruffin, Mil C 0.536